Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-03 Thread Chris Withers
Stefane Fermigier wrote: Zed/The Component Architecture Formerlyknown as Zope/GoldEgg/whatever that's not called Zope something: YUCK! (Who's Zed? Zed's dead, baby!) + sys.maxint Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-03 Thread Max M
Jeff Shell wrote: Yes it does. And I hate it. At Bottlerocket, we're a very small company. We look at Plone and go "alright, how do we make it do less? how do we turn this thing off, and this thing off, and this thing off, and this thing off? why is it so slow? and it still doesn't do the page w

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-02 Thread Chris McDonough
On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:41 AM, Peter Bengtsson wrote: I'm with Max on this one. What's the point? To save a few megabytes of harddisk space? If you don't want the zope.bobo part of your zope3, ignore it. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. ... Let's keep it simple, bundle it all in one

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-02 Thread Shane Hathaway
Marko Mikulicic wrote: On 02.03.2006., at 12:41, Peter Bengtsson wrote: I'm with Max on this one. What's the point? To save a few megabytes of harddisk space? If you don't want the zope.bobo part of your zope3, ignore it. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. not sure of what to t

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-02 Thread Encolpe Degoute
Stefane Fermigier a écrit : Paul Winkler wrote: On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 10:23:17AM +0100, Max M wrote: Canonical releases of compatible package collections is a *must*. Splitting it all up in small chunks that are out of sync would be a disaster. but we already have that situation wi

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-02 Thread Jeff Shell
On 3/2/06, Max M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jeff Shell wrote: > > >I think this keeps Zope 3 as we know it alive, keeps the Zope brand > >intact, and offers a future for Zope 2 and similar caliber desires for > >a Big App Server while not interfering with the more "pure" and simple > >concepts th

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-02 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Paul Winkler wrote: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 10:23:17AM +0100, Max M wrote: > >> Canonical releases of compatible package collections is a *must*. >> Splitting it all up in small chunks that are out of sync would be a >> disaster. >> > > but we already have that situation with current Pr

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-02 Thread Paul Winkler
On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 10:23:17AM +0100, Max M wrote: > Canonical releases of compatible package collections is a *must*. > Splitting it all up in small chunks that are out of sync would be a > disaster. but we already have that situation with current Products. How many sites are still running

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-02 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Jeff Shell wrote: > - Zope 3 CA: The Zope Component Architecture. Core services. Would > include zope.publisher and most other current top level zope.* things. > Usable as a library, as a publisher for other environments, perhaps as a > simple standalone server. Easy to deploy against WSGI, P

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-02 Thread Marko Mikulicic
On 02.03.2006., at 12:41, Peter Bengtsson wrote: I'm with Max on this one. What's the point? To save a few megabytes of harddisk space? If you don't want the zope.bobo part of your zope3, ignore it. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. not sure of what to think about this vision bu

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-02 Thread Peter Bengtsson
I'm with Max on this one. What's the point? To save a few megabytes of harddisk space? If you don't want the zope.bobo part of your zope3, ignore it. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. It's been a while but the last time I installed Plone it came with stuff like CookieCrumbler and For

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-02 Thread Max M
Jeff Shell wrote: I think this keeps Zope 3 as we know it alive, keeps the Zope brand intact, and offers a future for Zope 2 and similar caliber desires for a Big App Server while not interfering with the more "pure" and simple concepts that makes Zope 3 appealing for developers like me. I

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-01 Thread Chris McDonough
I think packaging efforts are really the key to being able to tell a story like this. The efforts happen to be couched in a process of converting z3 packages into eggs, but really the process of identifying dependencies and eliminating the silly ones is the valuable work here, and it seems

Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-01 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 1, 2006, at 7:42 PM, Jeff Shell wrote: [...] - Zope 3 CA: The Zope Component Architecture. Core services. Would include zope.publisher and most other current top level zope.* things. Usable as a library, as a publisher for other environments, perhaps as a simple standalone ser

[Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-01 Thread Jeff Shell
We've been through a lot lately. You know it, I know it. Zope has a reputation. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. This has affected Zope 3, since Zope 3 is very much "not Zope 2". But it's affecting Zope 2 as well, as Jim has brought to our attention. Zope 3 is Mature. Zope 3 sounds like Zop