Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?
There certainly won't be a Zope 4, but if you liked Zope and prefer more opinionated ways of doing things, you can take a look at SubstanceD, which is one of Pyramid's full stack offerings and a tiny bit what Zope 4 could have been. http://substanced.net/ Carlos de la Guardia On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Christopher Lozinski lozin...@freerecruiting.com wrote: On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: without citing the source My Apologies. Here it is. http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/ I quote: I’m having to read through the Pyramid source code trying to figure out what the heck is going on with configuration. At it’s heart, the problem with Pyramid is also what makes it great: They don’t prescribe any one way to do anything. On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: Worse yet that code has been optimized making it even harder to understand. So much bullshit, Well for this one, I will just quote from Defending Pyramid's Design presumably written by ChrisM himself. http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/1.3-branch/designdefense.html We optimize Pyramid aggressively. This comes at a cost: the core code has sections that could be expressed more readably. As an amelioration, we’ve commented these sections liberally. And that is the author's presumably generous description. So is ChrisM also a bullshitter? Then I am in good company. I really do have the highest respect for ChrisM, and Pyramid. And I do think it is a valid choice to use a tool that keeps your options open. But there is also a valid choice to have a certain way of doing things. There is a philosophical difference between Grok and Pyramid, and it is important that someone points it out. I think of Grok as more of a purist approach. I like grok. Thank you for encouraging a lively discussion. ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] What is the status on Zope4?
No dig. We love the caveman. Carlos de la Guardia On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Milind Khadilkar zedobj...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Carlos, for expressing certainty that there will be no Zope4 (that was the simple question I had asked! Thanks also for pointing out substancedD. Will definitely go through it. Just one question: is the civilized in Build civilized web applicationsa dig at the caveman? On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Carlos de la Guardia carlos.delaguar...@gmail.com wrote: There certainly won't be a Zope 4, but if you liked Zope and prefer more opinionated ways of doing things, you can take a look at SubstanceD, which is one of Pyramid's full stack offerings and a tiny bit what Zope 4 could have been. http://substanced.net/ Carlos de la Guardia On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Christopher Lozinski lozin...@freerecruiting.com wrote: On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: without citing the source My Apologies. Here it is. http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/ I quote: I’m having to read through the Pyramid source code trying to figure out what the heck is going on with configuration. At it’s heart, the problem with Pyramid is also what makes it great: They don’t prescribe any one way to do anything. On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: Worse yet that code has been optimized making it even harder to understand. So much bullshit, Well for this one, I will just quote from Defending Pyramid's Design presumably written by ChrisM himself. http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/1.3-branch/designdefense.html We optimize Pyramid aggressively. This comes at a cost: the core code has sections that could be expressed more readably. As an amelioration, we’ve commented these sections liberally. And that is the author's presumably generous description. So is ChrisM also a bullshitter? Then I am in good company. I really do have the highest respect for ChrisM, and Pyramid. And I do think it is a valid choice to use a tool that keeps your options open. But there is also a valid choice to have a certain way of doing things. There is a philosophical difference between Grok and Pyramid, and it is important that someone points it out. I think of Grok as more of a purist approach. I like grok. Thank you for encouraging a lively discussion. ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
[Zope3-Users] most useful zope 3 libraries
Hi, the other day I commented on my blog [1] about the lack of information on the Zope3 wiki about popular/important libraries or modules (I wanted to say products but I hear that's passé). Since I brought this up, I though the least I could do was to create a page about this myself, but I need help, because I'm just a Zope 3 beginner. Could some of you please mention your favorite or most useful libraries for Zope 3? I will research some of those mentioned and create a wiki page based on this information. Thanks a lot. Carlos de la Guardia [1] http://blog.delaguardia.com.mx/index.php?op=ViewArticlearticleId=77blogId=1 ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
