No dig. We love the caveman. Carlos de la Guardia
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Milind Khadilkar <zedobj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Carlos, for expressing certainty that there will be no Zope4 (that > was the simple question I had asked! > Thanks also for pointing out substancedD. > > Will definitely go through it. > > Just one question: is the "civilized" in > Build civilized web applicationsa dig at the caveman? > > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Carlos de la Guardia < > carlos.delaguar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> There certainly won't be a Zope 4, but if you liked Zope and prefer more >> opinionated ways of doing things, you can take a look at SubstanceD, which >> is one of Pyramid's full stack offerings and a tiny bit what Zope 4 could >> have been. >> >> http://substanced.net/ >> >> Carlos de la Guardia >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Christopher Lozinski < >> lozin...@freerecruiting.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: >>> >>> without citing the source >>> >>> >>> My Apologies. Here it is. >>> >>> >>> http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/ >>> >>> I quote: >>> >>> I’m having to read through the Pyramid source code trying to figure out >>> what the heck is going on with configuration. >>> At it’s heart, the problem with Pyramid is also what makes it great: >>> They don’t prescribe any one way to do anything. >>> >>> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: >>> >>> > Worse yet that code has been optimized making it even harder to >>> > understand. >>> > >>> >>> So much bullshit, >>> >>> >>> Well for this one, I will just quote from >>> "Defending Pyramid's Design" >>> presumably written by ChrisM himself. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/1.3-branch/designdefense.html >>> >>> >>> "We optimize Pyramid aggressively. This comes at a cost: the core code >>> has sections that could be expressed more readably. As an amelioration, >>> we’ve commented these sections liberally." >>> >>> And that is the author's presumably generous description. >>> >>> So is ChrisM also a bullshitter? Then I am in good company. >>> >>> I really do have the highest respect for ChrisM, and Pyramid. And I do >>> think it is a valid choice to use a tool that keeps your options open. But >>> there is also a valid choice to have a certain way of doing things. There >>> is a philosophical difference between Grok and Pyramid, and it is important >>> that someone points it out. I think of Grok as more of a purist approach. >>> >>> I like grok. >>> >>> Thank you for encouraging a lively discussion. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Zope3-users mailing list >>> Zope3-users@zope.org >>> https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Zope3-users mailing list >> Zope3-users@zope.org >> https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users >> >> >
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