Re: [Zope] developer docs
Rather, I would look at the venerable old Boring and Minimal example products. (But be aware that Boring (last time I looked) Oh yes, I will look at those. Thanks for the supporting documentation in your post. -- Milos Prudek http://www.spoxdesign.com - your web usability testing ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] developer docs
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 04:37:58PM +0200, Milos Prudek wrote: > I do not feel I can contribute to ZDG at this time. Is there any other > resource you can recommend, please? ZDG is really it. It could use some cleanup to fold in the comments and errata that are posted to the online version. For now, just read the ZDG and heed the comments. I personally do not use mxmEasyProduct. I did at one point, but I found that while it's a timesaver for trivial things, I ended up having to understand plain old Product development anyway, anytime I wanted to do something different, plus I had to figure out how mxmMinimal worked. That's typical of frameworks that hide details from you... great until you want the details back ;-) Rather, I would look at the venerable old Boring and Minimal example products. (But be aware that Boring (last time I looked) used the "old-style" security declarations. Instead of an __ac_permissions__ attribute, you should use ClassSecurityInfo as shown in, well, just about any Product you have lying around.) I know, this all screams for an organized, updated effort :-( -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] developer docs
On Tuesday 12 April 2005 11:47, Milos Prudek wrote: > > Yes. In Zope X3.0 you can only develop filesystem-based Python packages, > > so in > > Well, then your book debuted at number 1 on my book shopping list. Cool. :-) Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] developer docs
Yes. In Zope X3.0 you can only develop filesystem-based Python packages, so in Well, then your book debuted at number 1 on my book shopping list. -- Milos Prudek http://www.spoxdesign.com - your web usability testing ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] developer docs
I don't know about best documents! There is a minimal Product How To: http://www.zope.org/Members/maxm/HowTo/minimal_01/ That's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! -- Milos Prudek http://www.spoxdesign.com - your web usability testing ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] developer docs
On Tuesday 12 April 2005 11:01, Milos Prudek wrote: > > I'll note that we *try* to answer questions on the zope3-users mailing > > list in a timely fashion. If noone response to your question there, it is > > usually because it is a harder problem. ;-);-) > > I found out that you wrote a book about Zope 3 that gather raving > reviews on Amazon. Does the book contain all info required to develop > products (or whatever are they called in Zope 3) for Zope 3? Yes. In Zope X3.0 you can only develop filesystem-based Python packages, so in fact this is all the book covers. Section C has a fairly complex example of a message board application, complete with simple and containerish content objects. Other sections of the book cover the development of different components using filesystem-based development. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] developer docs
I'll note that we *try* to answer questions on the zope3-users mailing list in a timely fashion. If noone response to your question there, it is usually because it is a harder problem. ;-) I found out that you wrote a book about Zope 3 that gather raving reviews on Amazon. Does the book contain all info required to develop products (or whatever are they called in Zope 3) for Zope 3? -- Milos Prudek http://www.spoxdesign.com - your web usability testing ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] developer docs
> It is your good right to expect documentation but documentation has to > be written I've written about 50 pages of rather detailed documentation for Zope Page Templates and it is available online at www.root.cz. But not in English. So I know, understand and follow the concept you mentioned. I do not feel I can contribute to ZDG at this time. Is there any other resource you can recommend, please? -- Milos Prudek ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] developer docs
On Tuesday 12 April 2005 09:47, Cliff Ford wrote: > Faced with the same problem (conversion of ZClasses to file system > Products), I decided to have a look at Zope3X. There are a couple of > good new books with worked examples - but as soon as I stepped off the > guided path I found myself struggling. Still, I think I can see how to > go from 2.7 to 3 and not bother with ZClasses. I'll note that we *try* to answer questions on the zope3-users mailing list in a timely fashion. If noone response to your question there, it is usually because it is a harder problem. ;-) Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] developer docs
Milos Prudek wrote: What are the best documents for creating Zope products? I know Zope Book very well and I write TTW scripts. I need to convert a bunch of ZClasses into Products. ZDG seems very outdated. Should I start with mxmEasyProduct and then read ZDG? Is there a book available in bookshops that is better than ZDG and contains all required information for building products? I don't know about best documents! There is a minimal Product How To: http://www.zope.org/Members/maxm/HowTo/minimal_01/ Faced with the same problem (conversion of ZClasses to file system Products), I decided to have a look at Zope3X. There are a couple of good new books with worked examples - but as soon as I stepped off the guided path I found myself struggling. Still, I think I can see how to go from 2.7 to 3 and not bother with ZClasses. Cliff ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] developer docs
--On Dienstag, 12. April 2005 15:02 Uhr +0200 Milos Prudek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why is it out-dated? Most things are still valid. If not, point them out > to be > corrected or even better: help producing a never version of the ZDG. Hello Andreas, This kind of response is so common that it deserves a shortcut of its own. Such as RTFM. You essentially told me to f*k off. But I did not attack ZDG. I never said that - neither directly nor between the lines. ZDG has some outdated parts. You admit that. I haven't had the ZDG in my hands lately. But from that what I have in memory most things are still true because the basic haven't changed. If yes, point them out instead of make such comments. By following it, I will create incorrect code or use obsolete constructs. At least that is what reader comments say in ZDG. Well, I do not want to create obsolete constructs. It is your good right to expect documentation but documentation has to be written and maintained. Means: someone has to volunteer and take over *some* responsibilities. Complaining about missing, out-dated docs or whatever is one side of the medal, helping to improve thing is the other side *wink* And don't be pissed off when I try to point out that "the community" also has to take over some tasks instead of only having expectations. -aj pgpJyb5lG9Uuy.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] developer docs
> Why is it out-dated? Most things are still valid. If not, point them out > to be > corrected or even better: help producing a never version of the ZDG. Hello Andreas, This kind of response is so common that it deserves a shortcut of its own. Such as RTFM. You essentially told me to f*k off. But I did not attack ZDG. ZDG has some outdated parts. You admit that. By following it, I will create incorrect code or use obsolete constructs. At least that is what reader comments say in ZDG. Well, I do not want to create obsolete constructs. I am looking for a book that will help me. That is all. -- Milos Prudek ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] developer docs
--On Dienstag, 12. April 2005 13:46 Uhr +0200 Milos Prudek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ZDG seems very outdated. Should I start with mxmEasyProduct and then read ZDG? Is there a book available in bookshops that is better than ZDG and contains all required information for building products? Why is it out-dated? Most things are still valid. If not, point them out to be corrected or even better: help producing a never version of the ZDG. -aj pgpqlq85nAKML.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] developer docs
What are the best documents for creating Zope products? I know Zope Book very well and I write TTW scripts. I need to convert a bunch of ZClasses into Products. ZDG seems very outdated. Should I start with mxmEasyProduct and then read ZDG? Is there a book available in bookshops that is better than ZDG and contains all required information for building products? -- Milos Prudek ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
