----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan S. Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SaF] Templates
> On 16 Jan 2001, 14:38, Robert Graf wrote:
>
> > OK, Alan, but would you tell us what you REALLY think <g>.
>
> You asked for it. :-)
>
> (1) I hate frames.
agreed, among other things, it hides url info. I always try to place the
text of any url on my pages so you can see it and type it in manually or cut
and paste.
> (2) I hate popups.
this would be number 1 on my hate list. a lot of internet marketing
"geniuses love these. the only good place for one in my opinion is for
entering an e-mail address for subscribing to a newsletter without having to
switch to another page. and it better go away.
> (3) I hate intro pages.
yes, these are totally worthless, I usually leave the site if they do this.
> (4) I hate Flash.
it might be cool for some things, but I haven't seen anything useful done
with it. I think it's for kids or the hopelessly television addicted.
> (5) I hate Flash intro pages.
that would be 3 strikes on one pitch for me - 86 that site
> (6) I hate those banner ads that invite you to hit the monkey. :-)
Another internet marketing genius must have thought this one up, another one
for vidiots
>
> > This reminds of the tube fanatics in alt.guitar.amps.
>
> That's not fanaticism. That's fact. Those old tube amps sounded
> fatter and warmer. :-)
Have you heard any of the new digital stuff? I keep a Korg Pandora around
for my black face Princeton because it doesn't have reverb and my bf Super
reverb with jbl d110s is a brick.
>
> > Being a nuts and bolts type person who has taught assembly language
> > programming back in the 8085 days, I understand your feelings. If
> > your page doesn't turn out the way you wanted it to, you can fix it
> > in the html code or it can't be fixed at all. Now, having said that,
> > I still believe that a program like dreamweaver is a good tool for
> > web pages. I'm not claiming to have the web site programming
> > experience that you do, but I like looking at the page as I build it.
> > Don't get me wrong, when I encounter a problem, it's straight to the
> > html editor - I'm that kind of guy, always will be, most likely. With
> > dreamweaver, this is nice and tightly tied to the Allaire HomeSite
> > 4.5 html editor. I'm sure there's some quirks I'll have to put up
> > with, but it beats the feathers out of entering text in an html
> > editor. That being said, the Web Page Construction Kit 4.0 from
> > MacMillan Publishing is a great intro to html coding. I got mine for
> > 30 bucks at Best Buy after my friend recommended it. Do NOT
> > mistakenly believe that the Web Page Construction Kit 5.0 Deluxe is a
> > deluxe version of the same thing. It is NOT. It has a graphic
> > interface page builder.
>
> I've never used Dreamweaver or the MacMillan, but I have a version of
> HomeSite and can attest it is a very good editor. I also have a copy
> of the 1st Page editor that Ed mentioned and it too is a good "tool"
> editor. Another freeware editor that is good is Arachnophilia:
>
> http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/
>
> But those "tool" editors do require prior knowledge of HTML.
>
oh yeah, they have a few advantages over notepad, but they're like having a
foreign language typewriter and not being able to speak that language.
> I don't want to mislead anyone. I am not a "expert" at coding HTML. I
> am at best, an amateur web page maker. My pages are far from perfect.
> I am only a believer in working with the code yourself or at least
> having the knowledge in reviewing the output that editors give you.
>
> I used to use WYSIWYG html editors. I would tell my subscribers that
> they should make their own page. I would also preach to everyone that
> they should design web pages that are accessible to as many people and
> browsers as possible, no matter what their situation.
>
> Well, one day I sat down and took a close look at my code for a web
> page I was constantly promoting on my list to my subscribers and I was
> flat out embarrassed. The coding placed there by various editors was
> atrocious. Even with limited knowledge, I could see several errors.
> And bad code means that accessibility is limited.
>
> So I reworked that page line-by-line. I broke out HTML books and
> studied how to do things that I did not know how to do before and
> rewrote the entire page by hand, using only a plain text editor. While
> I don't profess that any page I have ever designed in this manner was
> perfect, I can attest that I found much more satisfying. The finished
> page was a real source of pride for me because I built it myself. I
> learned a great deal in writing that page -- far more than I would have
> learned had I just let an editor do my thinking for me. You just
> cannot substitute for the values you gain in designing a web site from
> scratch.
>
>
> Alan
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
