Very interesting! 
may i ask you how old ( average !) were your pts? 

andrea de gasperi 


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Da: "Anja Kathrina Jaehne" <[email protected]> 
A: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
Inviato: Venerdì, 30 settembre 2016 19:08:47 
Oggetto: Re: [Sepsis Groups] SIRS+organ dysfunction vs. qSOFA/SOFA 





Please see below some retrospective comparisons regarding Emergency Department 
Triage assessments in concerns to qSOFA and SIRS criteria (August 2015- June 
2016). These values are only in consideration of Triage for q SOFA and SIRS for 
patients who are retrospectively clearly identified as having either severe 
sepsis or septic shock. I would not be able to comment on specificity or 
sensitivity in the larger undifferentiated ED patient population at triage. 

TRIAGE ED qSOFA (Hypotension SBP< 100 mmHg; Respiratory Rate >/ = 22 breath/ 
min; Mental status changes) 
        

        

qSOFA 0 or 1 at Triage  

qSOFA 2 or 3 at Triage 
        

All Patients    

260/382 (68%)   

122/382 (32 %) 
        

Severe Sepsis Patients  

150/192 (78%)   

42/192 (22 %) 
        

Septic Shock patients   

110/190 (58 %)  

80/190 (42 %) 







The above data for our ED would mean, that if we would do a qSOFA assessment 
only once at triage and would base further clinical decisions on this, we may 
miss 58 – 78 % of patients with severe sepsis or septic shock. However qSOFA is 
not intended as singular assessment ! 

But I agree with what was said: it does not provide a sensitive initial 
screening assessment tool for the ED setting. 

Especially the assessment of mental status changes in the ED setting appears to 
be difficult particular in patients who are new to the ED, have no family or on 
certain medications. The GCS is often normal even when other mental alterations 
may be present but not documented not even recognized in the ED setting! I can 
see that in the ICU setting it may be easier to recognize mental status changes 
in patients which are known to the treatment teams. This is often not possible 
in the ED! 

TRIAGE ED SIRS (HR > 90 bpm, RR >/=20, Temp <36 C or > 38 C, WBC <4 or > 12 or 
bandemia >10) 
        

        

0 or 1 SIRS     

2 or more SIRS 
        

All Patients    

48/382 (13 %)   

334/382 (87 %) 
        

Severe Sepsis Patients  

27/192 (14 %)   

165/192 (86 %) 
        

Septic Shock Patients   

21/190 (11 %)   

169/190 (89 %) 



When we use TRIAGE SIRS criteria on the same patients who were assessed with 
qSOFA in the ED, and which have been later by chart review confirmed to have 
severe sepsis or septic shock, we are less likely to underestimate the 
potential risk of sepsis in these patients. 



My five cents: The qSOFA may be a tool for the continued ICU screening for 
septic patients. It may be not such a good tool in the ED triage setting. From 
our observational data it appears to me that SIRS criteria do exactly what Dr 
Bone had in mind: Identify patients with potential sepsis EARLY. SIRS criteria 
are not bulled proof, but they currently appear at ED triage the better initial 
tool to use to use when screening for patients at risk for severe sepsis or 
septic shock! Hopefully we will have further data soon to have a more 
prospective validation of qSOFA as a screening tool for sepsis in the ED! 

Maybe qSOFA performs better in the ICU!? Anyone what to share their data? 





Kathrina 

Anja Kathrin Jaehne, MD 

Clinical Research Coordinator 

Department of Emergency Medicine 

Henry Ford Hospital, Detroit MI 48202 



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