> I've been under the assumption that a
> "server" was something that could provide you with the whole website
thing
> and email and you can use ftp for your website and there was all this
stuff
> that you could do with a "server"... hehe.. but I clearly see now that
> this is not the case at all and that a "server" would likely only deal
with
> one thing.. -be it http, ftp, pop3, smtp among the many possibilities.
I guess you have to distinguish between a machine acting as a server, which
might fit your picture, and a single (or group of) server service(s)
provided by a piece of software, which is our picture. I can see how this
is confusing, but the *important* thing is that it is the mortal enemy of a
client ;-)
> After initiating, It worked okay and I guess on this first time that is
> where the whole unpacking happens. I successfully see the message that
> Phoenix is up and James is up and running and it showed the services and
> their ports...
Good.
> Okay, so I shut down James with [Ctrl] + [C] and I get some message that
JVM
> is being abnormal and then the Phoenix shuts down. I don't know whether
> that was the Java Virtual Machine being abnormal from my method of
shutting
> down or maybe that's like James Virtual Machine or some other acronym.
The message come from the "Avalon Phoenix" http://avalon.apache.org
container we use to provide a runtime container for the components we call
James.
It is our fault for not making James behave "nicely" in this situation. :-o
It is also "Normal" ~:-|
> ALSO I see a folder that comes up
> under the James root there and it is called Work. I'm assuming this is
> probably the work files and such that are getting used when James is up
and
> runnin live.
Yep.
But note well.. work is a temporary location created *and**destroyed* by
James and you won't achieve anything by messin' with it.
> Now, I go to do my config situation but there is no config.xml on the
> machine.
it will be in C:\james\apps\james\SAR-INF\
> Anyway I'll get back on
> track and say that I used quite a few of the commands in the list and
found
> plenty to be "this command not recognized". I just figure maybe at this
> point those aren't implemented...
No, they are.
> I had to start MySQL
Not if you haven't configured James to use it. James doesn't *need* it, but
can optionally use it if you want it to.
(to store your lists of users, and all their mail in, obviously)
>(otherwise I have no clue how to send or
> receive mail with James because I'm not seeing any GUI for mailing
> functionality from James himself)
Because James is a mailserver. So you need a mail client.
Think of Outlook Express, Netscape Mail, Mozilla etc etc.
They are to mailservers what Browsers are to web-servers.
>Now, so here I am I suspect I have the Phoenix/James system installed
> properly and at least configured somewhat properly considering my
situation.
lookin' good thusfar.
> There's 2 things I'd like to overcome though for this to have the
>functionality I would like. 1. I need to either get some DNS happening
>locally(or change the config to get to legitimate DNS)
Right, look in your PC's network settings, or on your ISP's website for
details of servers James can use to look up DNS for outgoing mail.
>and 2. Change the
>config to enable the mail to go/come beyond "local".
If you have james on the same machine you are sending mail from you don't
need to change anything.
If James is one one machine and you are using outlook on a *different*
machine, you will have to change the "RemoteAddrInNetwork" matcher in
config.xml and add the IP of the client machine.
> I guess while I'm at
> it I really have no clue what NNTP is so I could get that out of there
and
>apparently the "Remote Manager" isn't very relevant for me either
Yes it is you need to use it to create mail accounts for your users to
receive mail.
> I've had a friend who has a hosting business and he would tolerate alot
of
> my questioning but never would go anywhere with the "whats all this stuff
> about DNS" question.
> I don't know perhaps he really didn't know because
> after all he did have a handful of guys that really ran things I guess.
Is
> it possible to understand without being a system administrator?
Oh yes, but you do need to pay attention!
> Can I just make some file on my computer to accomplish DNS? Like maybe:
> localhost=127.0.0.1
> NOTlocalhost="MAGICDNS"
yes look for "hosts" it might not work on win9x though.
>Or can I run a DNS server locally? It doesn't sound too appealing to be
>honest but if it's not too hard to accomplish then I wouldn't be scared to
>give it a whirl.
Yes (Check out "simple dns plus") but thats not what you want, you want to
connect to a public one, and if you are connected to the net you will be
connected to one.
>Can I use somebody elses DNS server in this situation? I'm sure my ISP is
>providing for some kind of name resolution right?.. -otherwise I probably
>couldn't type http://jakarta.apache.org/ into my browser right?
Right
>But, I
>don't have a commercial account or anything so I guess I have no
legitimate
>reason to deal with a DNS server and I don't want to do anything illegal
or
>anything that would make my ISP climb on my back.
's OK, you won't get in trouble for just looking up mail domains, thats
what your ISP's DNS servers are *for*.
> I just want to be able to
>play around and learn things without having to go pay people for some
server
>space and domain name that I'm just goobering around on.
You won't need that, but you may have to pay close attention the DNS stuff
when you try to get people to send you incoming mail from across the net.
>any ideas, like do you think that James probably WAS running okay and
maybe
>that whole installation craziness I did was right..
Yeah looks fine.
> And anything about DNS?
Check those settings in your PC, and copy them into config.xml
> I don't even know how this works other than it being the resolution
> between humanly readable names and cryptic IP addresses. I suppose I'm
> getting ready to learn that there is yet another term for "server"..
Yeah thats what it is alright, and a DNS server is a publicly accessable
piece of software which has some lists for you to look up. They often have
friends whom they can ask and pass off the knowedge as their own (who
doesn't do that!), so that when you ask a question of your ISP's DNS you
will almost certainly get a fairly accurate answer for all but the most
obscure corners of the net.
Mail uses so called MX (Mail Exchanger) records, if you want to learn about
the relationship between Mail and DNS I suggest you google for a
combineation of MX, DNS, & SMTP.
d.
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