There seems to be only one active developer: he is
working on JamesNG, trying to migrate away from the
Avalon beast. Unfortunately, this list tends to throw
more darts at the guy (re: groovy), rather than
encouraging him. This would only be fair IMHO if the
dart-throwers were burning up their keyboards cranking
out new features, integrating submitted patches,
making more than typo-level fixes to the website,
figuring out a versioning strategy, or at the very
least read up on lightweight containers, etc.
This is not a troll. Just some of the observations, I
have gathered since I had jumped on the James
bandwagon.
I have considered James basically a dead project for
some time now.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Cheers,
Gabor
--- Serge Knystautas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:37:32 -0800
> "Claude Duguay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 1) I was dissapointed to see that, while a fix
> that was
> >provided, ready-made, a bug that seemend important
> to me
> >was still in UNRESOLVED status. Unfortunately, I
> took it
> >for granted that a ready-made fix would not remain
> >UNRESOLVED for long and upgraded to James 2.2.0 on
> my
> >production server, only to find that the
> RemoteDelivery
> >gateway configuraiton does not allow for defining a
>
> >username and password for authentication. My
> questions
> >related to this are: a) Why has the fix not been
> >incorporated? b) When will it be?
>
> There are no simple answers. We have lack of active
>
> developers. You can blame that on sick of working
> on the
> old Avalon platform, growing families, contracting
> picking
> up, SVN migration, etc... But bottom line is no
> committers are actively developing James. Your
> issue in
> JIRA is right where it should be, and I'm sure
> that's the
> best way to get it reviewed and incorporated. There
> are
> several other patches that are sitting in JIRA
> waiting to
> be added as well, so it has nothing to do with your
> patch
> AFAIK.
>
> > 2) I'm finidng the long wait for IMAP support
> highly
> >questionable. Though I'm glad to see that there is
> >discussion of classloader-separated mailet
> packages, it's
> >dissapointing that this is also not present in the
> >current release. The two articles about James that
> I
> >published for IBM were released in June of 2003,
> close to
> >two years ago. I can't conceive of any reason why
> both
> >the classloader deployment and IMAP support have
> been so
> >long in comming. I'm not really asking why. What
> I'd
> >really like to hear is a commitment to get the job
> done
> >and a timeline to covers these two critical
> features,
> >still not in place despite a clear understanding
> that
> >they are important to the user community. It's a
> tough
> >sell when there's no IMAP support and 'they're
> working
> >on it' isn't really cutting it anymore. Comments?
>
> I don't tell people that we're working on IMAP...
> it's an
> experimental feature without any active development.
>
> There are a few people who have worked at it, but
> unfortunately there has not been enough free time to
> get
> it ready for prime time. It is a big limitation of
> IMAP,
> but unfortunately in a project like this, the
> squeeky
> wheel doesn't get the grease so much as the personal
> itch
> gets scratched (sorry for my euphemisms).
>
> We are actively supporting as many users as possible
>
> through the mailing lists, and otherwise sustaining
> the
> project... think of it as development hibernation,
> not
> termination. I'm aware that myself, Noel, Danny,
> and
> Vicenzo are working intermittently on James but have
> not
> had time to take the lead or substantively do any
> development.
>
> I feel like I've written this type of email a few
> too many
> times, sounding half defeatist/half hopeful. Still,
> I'd
> rather answer your email than let something like
> that go
> unanswered.
>
> --
> Serge Knystautas
>
>
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