>         Actually, as I use them, and as they are intended to be
> used, template systems are intended to separate formatting from
> logic. They are _not_ intended to let "newbies" create dynamic sites --
> they're intended to let people who can program well program while people
> who can do HTML well do HTML.


i apologize for generalizing about the newbies creating dynamic sites...what
i meant to convey is exactly what you said. in other words, dash does not
try to solve the problem of letting people who can do HTML well edit the
pages. we at clear ink have found that complex web applications generally
end up being created by the engineers off of pre-designed pages that are
given to us via the designers. this is a different approach than most other
companies because our needs tend to be different. these web applications
generally are not sites that are 1000's of pages...they are sites that are
10-50 pages...each one is dynamic and a lot of the time, they depend on each
other (high security wizard type applications)...in that case we have found
that it is better to just use the approach i just described. dash makes
doing those types of applications much much easier.

i suggest that you take ten minutes and look at how the design of dash
works...it is all documented on the site...

<http://www.working-dogs.com/dash/>

-jon

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