How is $110 equate to being free?

I use JDeveloper a fair bit, it's a derived product of JBuilder.

I like the contextual help, the wizards and the deployment wizard is pretty
good.

It has a built-in JSP, servlet runner, and EJB, class test environment (it
builds a minimal GUI that calls your EJB allowing you to test it directly,
either deployed or hosted in the tool).

It's not free (even if free==110 USD), but for about $200 you can get the
internet developers kit off of technet.oracle.com, which comes with
JDeveloper, Oracle8i (Java Server with EJB support), and OAS (Java WebServer
with EJB support).  It's for development only.

Thor HW
----- Original Message -----
From: Fernando Saldanha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: IDE Recommendations


> Take a look at IBM Visual Age for Java. I tried JBuilder and found the IBM
> product *much* better. And so did some other people at work. I know some
> people who also preferred Visual Cafe 4 (I have not tried it) over
JBuilder.
>
> Visual Age's advantages:
>
> 1) Has own repository, with versioning.
>
> 2) Advanced IDE.
>
> 3) Fast.
>
> 4) Cheap. (About $85 for professional version, or even better, subscribe
to
> VADD and get a free copy for abou $110).
>
> Disadvantages:
>
> 1) No servlet runner. But I have imported Sun's classes into my project,
> including HttpServer. By running this class you can debug your servlets
> from within Visual Age. It is actually quite easy to do.
>
> 2) Steep learning curve. But once you learn it you will never want to go
> back to file-based IDEs.
>
> 3) No servlet wizard. But who needs it anyway? The Enterprise version has
one.
>
> 4) I did not like the Search functions. Maybe I did not learn how to use
it
> well yet.
>
> My view on JBuilder is that it is too big and slow. The Help is so slow
> it's useless. You will need 256MB of memory to run JBuilder at an
> acceptable speed.
>
> Just my opinion. Please no flames :-)
>
> Fernando
>
> At 04:26 PM 1/6/00 -0800, you wrote:
> >I like Borland JBuilder3.
> >Just my opinions here:
> >
> >PROS
> >1. I'm still pretty much a Java newbie, but I like it because
> >    it is compatible (to a large degree) with 1.2.
> >2. It's cheap.
> >3. Pretty fast execution within the IDE.
> >
> >CONS
> >1.  It's a HOG!!!  And the "help" system must use up twice the memory
that
> >the
> >     IDE uses!
> >2.  Not nearly as "nice" as Microsoft VJ++, but I'm hoping further
revisions
> >of the
> >     product will approach the look and feel of Microsoft tools.
> >3.  I'm really going out on a limb here, but I don't think it supports
> >breakpoints
> >     inside servlets (they're served by the web server.)
> >
> >
> >Keep this thread alive.. I'm always shopping for better tools.
> >
> >kevin carothers    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java Servlet
> >API Technology. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >Leonard, Ed
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 11:37 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: IDE Reccomendations
> >
> >
> >I would recommend that in your process of selection that you make sure
that
> >all features are available with all levels of virtual machine.  Symantec
> >does'nt seem to provide that aspect.
> >
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