There is no point in continuing this discussion. I hope we can now put this
behind us.
Mike thanks for joining the Board! William and the rest of the board, thanks
for working quickly!
-Phil
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 6:47 PM, William Lahti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In reply to grover's message about lack of board involvement, most of
> my argument has been said by Sander and Bruce but I want to point out
> about the "virtual meeting" that Adam requested on the 20th: It was
> posted on the 20th without a date but instead a fuzzy idea of sometime
> after Adam got out of church. At the time I was working Sundays from
> 10 to 3... Nevertheless when I returned home I replied. Not only that,
> within another 24 hours Sander had replied as well.
>
> Also, the board is the *highest* authority in the project but it is
> not the only one. It exists to formalize and decide things which are
> disputed, not to run the whole project. I'm not saying that it is
> normal to have such a low amount of board activity, but I am saying
> that the board is not the only way to accomplish things. SharpOS has
> always been about community, and regardless of what happens it will
> remain that way. The lack of participation in the "virtual meeting"
> was probably due to scheduling conflicts (not surprising on a Sunday
> in a geologically dispersed project) and lack of general development
> activity. In case you haven't looked around, there are only 2-3 active
> developers and 3 active board members, which leaves a very small pool
> of potential participants in such a hastily established and focused
> meeting objective.
>
> And to the point of milestone 2, it was been defined well before we
> reached milestone 1. It is there on the wiki like everything else and
> I am frankly surprised that someone as interested in the welfare of
> the project as you are didn't look at the most important information
> provided on our website.
>
> OK, moving along to Grover's interesting mix of being interested
> enough in the project to attempt to unseat the board and replace it
> with.......... some people who have not come forward. When I posted
> the vote to add you to the board it was because I inferred that you
> were interested by the fact that you even posted your proposal (which,
> btw, was entirely not posted as a proposal but instead as some sort of
> decree which contained hasty time tables which had almost expired
> without any candidacy requests by the time I got around to replying).
> Sorry I made such a mistake, but I would also like to point out that
> there are no policies stopping us from voting to accept someone to the
> board without a candidacy request so I'm not sure where you are
> getting at with the "board doesn't follow it's own rules" thing.
>
> The fact is, Mike, that your proposal for board replacement was poorly
> crafted. You should've measured the desire of community members to
> contribute to the project via the board mechanisms. You should have
> worded your proposal as just that, a proposal. You should've set up
> your time tables to be relative and not absolute, as it is obvious
> that such a change would take a bit of time to organize. In your
> proposal, you should've recognized the eligibility of voting (and not
> inferred that anyone could vote (and in fact, by web poll would most
> probably mean multiple votes if anyone felt obliged to do so)). Also,
> you should've solidified your mechanisms for such an election, as we
> don't have any software that would allow us to operate such an event.
>
> You show some kind of paradoxical view of our project by saying both
> at the same time that the project is not important enough to have
> secure and well thought out election processes, yet important enough
> to replace the board entirely to improve progress. You seem to blame
> us for not having time for the project yet you claim not to have time
> yourself to do anything about it. Your press for change would have
> been more effective, and caused less debate, had you merely requested
> a seat on the board and started proposing changes.
>
> With that, know that these words are not meant as a personal attack or
> to start conflict, but are merely my replies to what clearly seems to
> be some sort of non-premeditated knee-jerk response to some of the
> problems which we face. If you really want to see progress made here,
> start by working with us and not against us.
>
> I'm glad to see that you have accepted the seat, and know that
> anything you might have to say or any proposals that you are apt to
> make are not going to annoy us, but will probably please us in the
> fact that we would finally have an active board member. That said, on
> contented points there will be debate, and it is unhealthy to suppress
> it leading only to misinformed decisions and general erosion of the
> project toward conflict.
>
> Have a good day and welcome to the board!
>
> --
> fury
>
> long name: William Lahti
> handle :: fury
> freenode :: xfury
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