Hi Steve
Eek! Problem or benefit. It all depends on you point of view. If you want a phonetic Alphabet based on the Roman Alphabet you should used Pitman's I.T.A. If you want a replacement Phonetic Alphabet for English, that is completely divorced from the Traditional Orthography then you use the Shavian Alphabet. Which one do you want. Regards, Paul V. P.S. I will copy this note to the new Shaw Alphabet Group at Yahoo. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you want to understand the problem that people have with > Shavian, take a look at Tengwar....an equally opaque phonemic > representation of English. > The problem is that there is little connection between a string of tengwar > symbols > and a string of Roman symbols. One has to learn the symbol-sound > correpondences > and then identify the pronunciation with ones ear vocabulary. > > Wið an orthografi sûch az Webster-Latin1 or WL1, wun kan úzúøli rekogníz ð > wørd. > > --Steve > Introduction | Tengwar > This table shows how to use the Tengwar to represent consonants. I also show > the name of each letter. > IIIIIIIV > 1t as in time > tinco > p as in pass > parma > ch as in chill > calma > k as in can > quesse > > 2d as in do > ando > b as in bit > umbar > j as in just > anga > g as in go > ungwe > > 3th as in think > thuule > f as in field > formen > sh as in sheet > harma > kh as in loch > hwesta > > 4dh as in then > anto > v as in vast > ampa > zh as in leisure > anca > (not used) > unque > > 5n as in not > nuumen > m as in mind > malta > ny as in canyon > noldo > ng as in sing > nwalme > > 6r as in star > oore > w as in wild > vala > y as in yes > anna > qu as in queen > vilya > > > r as in right > roomen > rd as in hard > arda > l as in light > lambe > ld as in told > alda > > s as in silver > silme > s as in silver > silme > nuquerna > z as in cause > aaze > z as in cause > aaze > nuquerna > > h as in hill > hyarmen > y as in try > yanta > w as in gown > uure > > "the" > "of" > "of the" > > > http://www.skymind.com/~ocrow/tengwar/teng.html > > In this mode vala and anna are used for W and Y when used as consonants. > Uure and yanta are used for W and Y when they appear as part of a vowel > sound. > war �" yet �" > gown �" gay �" > > > A bar over the tengwa, but under any tehta, should be used for a preceeding N > or M that is part of the same syllable. > > bond �" camp �" > tent �" gamble �" > song �" somnambulant �" ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/mx3olB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
