Hi Steve

Eek!
Problem or benefit.
It all depends on you point of view.

If you want a phonetic Alphabet based on the Roman Alphabet
you should used Pitman's I.T.A.
If you want a replacement Phonetic Alphabet for English, that is 
completely divorced from the Traditional Orthography
then you use the Shavian Alphabet.

Which one do you want.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. I will copy this note to the new Shaw Alphabet Group at Yahoo.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If you want to understand the problem that people have with
> Shavian, take a look at Tengwar....an equally opaque phonemic
> representation of English.
> The problem is that there is little connection between a string of 
tengwar 
> symbols 
> and a string of Roman symbols.  One has to learn the symbol-sound 
> correpondences
> and then identify the pronunciation with ones ear vocabulary.  
> 
> Wið an orthografi sûch az Webster-Latin1 or WL1, wun kan 
úzúøli rekogníz ð 
> wørd.
> 
> --Steve
> Introduction | Tengwar 
> This table shows how to use the Tengwar to represent consonants. I 
also show 
> the name of each letter.
>  IIIIIIIV
> 1t as in time
> tinco
> p as in pass
> parma
> ch as in chill
> calma
> k as in can
> quesse
> 
> 2d as in do
> ando
> b as in bit
> umbar
> j as in just
> anga
> g as in go
> ungwe
> 
> 3th as in think
> thuule
> f as in field
> formen
> sh as in sheet
> harma
> kh as in loch
> hwesta
> 
> 4dh as in then
> anto
> v as in vast
> ampa
> zh as in leisure
> anca
> (not used)
> unque
> 
> 5n as in not
> nuumen
> m as in mind
> malta
> ny as in canyon
> noldo
> ng as in sing 
> nwalme
> 
> 6r as in star
> oore
> w as in wild
> vala
> y as in yes
> anna
> qu as in queen
> vilya
> 
> 
> r as in right
> roomen
> rd as in hard 
> arda 
> l as in light
> lambe
> ld as in told
> alda
> 
> s as in silver
> silme
> s as in silver
> silme 
> nuquerna
> z as in cause
> aaze
> z as in cause
> aaze 
> nuquerna
> 
> h as in hill
> hyarmen
>   y as in try
> yanta
> w as in gown
> uure
> 
> "the"
> "of"
> "of the"
>   
> 
> http://www.skymind.com/~ocrow/tengwar/teng.html
> 
> In this mode vala  and anna  are used for W and Y when used as 
consonants. 
> Uure  and yanta  are used for W and Y when they appear as part of 
a vowel 
> sound. 
> war �" yet �" 
> gown �" gay �" 
> 
> 
> A bar over the tengwa, but under any tehta, should be used for a 
preceeding N 
> or M that is part of the same syllable. 
> 
> bond �" camp �"  
> tent �" gamble �" 
> song �" somnambulant �"





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