hehehe, yup.
At 12:38 AM 9/24/2002, you wrote:
>Well I DID say quick swing, not that SMOOTH AL type swing didn't I?
>:)
>
>Mark
>
>Al Taylor wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> > The specific SW may not always be critical when fitting SW to correct ball
> > flight (read swing faults). It is often the amount and direction of
> > change, that has the affect. But they says we swingers are soooooooo
> > smoooth that we can adjust to most any flex and swing weight. You do
> > believe that dontcha?
> >
> > Al
> >
> > At 11:51 PM 9/23/2002, you wrote:
> > >I have been watching this thread and had a couple thoughts:
> > >
> > >1. A personal observation for myself as well as most that I have fitted
> > >that had a quick swing. A heavier SW while not compromising a heavy
> > >total weight has mostly proven better. Do not view any SW measurement as
> > >TOO much, but rather insure these are matched by some reason and that
> > >the total weight is not too much.
> > >
> > >PS: Don't try to fool the SW scale (easy to do) by using a lighter grip.
> > >Measure the club un-gripped as the scale measures on a different pivot
> > >point (fulcrum in scale language) than what the golfer actually uses. (A
> > >difference of roughly 8 inches) (IE: Do you really think that a given
> > >club with a GP Tour Wrap swings that much different than the same club
> > >with a GP Tour Wrap Lite. The scale says so though the golfer doesn't;
> > >but then again SW is not a dynamic measurement - refer to Jorgenson's
> > >work or previous posts from DaveT, etal)
> > >
> > >2. While SW is important to match because:
> > >A: To insure consistency in your work as viewed by you
> > >B: To insure consistency in your work as viewed by potential other
> > >clubmakers that measure these clubs
> > >
> > >it is not the only factor. Total weight as well as MOI should be taken
> > >into consideration. Keep in mind that SW is a static measurement and
> > >that MOI is dynamic For further information, I would again refer to
> > >Jorgenson's work.
> > >
> > >I am not certain if a specific SW should be targeted without these other
> > >items being taken into consideration. I have even noted that with
> > >golfers w/ large hands, it appears that the grip dia has an effect on
> > >their "apparent" view of "SW"
> > >
> > >For those that wonder: larger grip = lighter, smaller grip = heavier.
> > >Seems to be more pronounced in shorter swings. I would be interested in
> > >any other fitters that may have observed this (yes the grips were the
> > >same weight as were the shafts, heads, and SW on the std scale).
> > >
> > >Always seeming to bump up against a strange new observation
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank you Tom. What you have just outlined is what I have been telling
> > > > people for years. Still it seems the majority of people think that
> > > > there is something magical about swingweight. Perhaps it is due to
> > > > it's relative ease of measurement and that the measurement is directly
> > > > related to a club rather than just a general weight measurement. I
> > > > really don't know why most people are fascinated with it though, apart
> > > > from the consistency aspect.
> > > >
> > > > Rich "Mac" McHattie
> > > > Mac's Golf
