Hello Rob, I do not remember the thread as I recently posted my views on slope fitting. In a nutshell (more details can be found by searching the archives or emailing me directly)
Fitting for freq slope requires fitting at this time. There are some solutions out there that may be able to do this without a full fledge fitting (ie: Lloyd's FitChip as well as my own yet to be released solution), yet I do not believe there is widespread acceptance of these solutions. I can tell you that without using one of these solutions or participating in a demo fitting, one can not predetermine a preferred slope. This guy is full of bunk. I know a demo fitting does work. Here's the process: Create a demo set of say 5 irons and 9 irons. These clubs need to be identical to each other in every aspect other than freq. Now hit the range preferrably with a distance caddy or some other similar tool. If none are available, bring an observant friend. Demo the 5 irons until you find the best freq for you with that 5 iron. Now perform the same with your set of 9 irons. Keep in mind the fatigue factor. If you become fatigued, finish the demo on a different day. Once you have your preferred 5 iron freq and 9 iron freq, plot them. This will give you your preferred slope. Mark Rob wrote: > Hi, > You can go to his web site at www.eagleflightgolf.com > <http://www.eagleflightgolf.com> to see his pitch. I don't see any > references to the PCS or GCA, or PGA for that matter. I also don't > see any mention of a guarantee. Since he is on wheels, he will soon > be out of town and on to the next stop, which has to make one > skeptical. I did not give him my business primarily because I don't > accept change for the sake of change when it comes to my equipment. I > want to be the guy who knows what is right for me and be able to > correct a problem with my clubs when it is indeed my clubs that are > probably causing problems. I also build my own clubs so the thought > of letting him do it rubs me the wrong way. > The intention of this thread was to open up a dialog about how to > come up with the proper frequency slope for a particular player. > Should a scratch player have the same slope as a mid handicapper? > Should a fast tempo player be sloped the same as a slow swinger? Does > every shaft manufacturer give trimming instructions with the same > slope as every other manufacturer? If not, why? I realize frequency > is not everything but for the frequency matchers out there what are > you matching and how are you coming up with your reasoning for the > frequency slope you are using. > As for my game, I really don't have a part of my game that is so > bad that I have to change everything. All golfers strive to be more > consistent. I'd have to say I'd like to consistently put the ball > closer to the hole on my approach shots with my irons. I feel that my > wedges and short irons are too stiff. When I miss hit a shot it tends > to go left unless of course I block it. I'd also like to be a better > chipper. I know what that means though. :-) > Rob Campbell > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Friday, September 27, 2002 8:31:36 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Frequency slope > > Rob, > There is some merit to flat lining a set of clubs, and a lot of other > theories on which slope method is best. Let me ask you a question or > two, and by the way, I do mostly low handicap golfers. Just what part > of your game is so bad that you need to change everything? Exactly > what did this supposed fitter say was his reasoning to change your > clubs? How much lower are you going to get your handicap, with an > entirely new set of sticks? Is this guy certified by the PCS or GCA? > Will he guarantee game improvement with his clubs and will he offer > 100% refund if they don't? > > Those were the questions, here are my answers. He is full of crap! > First of all, being a scratch golfer you will adapt to almost any club > someone gives you. Second of all, having a smooth tempo will allow > for some room for a fitter's error, or put another way, acceptable > total weight and swing weight and flex seem to have more of a range, > and especially with a better golfer. At your level of play, the only > true test is to try small variations in your setup, looking for a > better feel or shot shape. The only honest and legitimate question > this fitter should ask is, "what part of your game do you feel needs > help?" Based on what you have presented, this guy couldn't make any > small adjustments, since he is locked into specific equipment and > theory. Any fitter worth the time talking to will do an interview of > at least a half hour, discussing your game and equipment and goals. > Run, don't walk, from this guy. > > FWIW. ONLY based on your info given below, it appears someone is > pretty close to fitting you correctly. Rifles 6.0's sound just about > right and I was curious about using the Lights, but not a problem. My > guess is your Driver is around 265-270 if the same fitter made that > for you, and that would be about right also. > > Look, the guy has got a game plan to make some money. Maybe his > system works, maybe it doesn't, I donno. I do know though, his goal > is to sell clubs, not necessarily improve your game. How could anyone > in their right mind, take a scratch golfer and change the weight, > frequency, slope and flex of a set of clubs, in good conscience, and > tell the golfer he was helping him. Just my opinion, of course I > could be wrong. > > Al Taylor > PCS Certified Class A Club Maker > GCA Accredited Club Maker and Fitter > > > At 10:06 PM 9/27/2002, you wrote: > >> >> Hi All, >> Recently a club fitter came to my club and set up shop on the driving >> range for 5 days to fit golfers and build/retrofit clubs with a zero >> frequency slope. He either built you a new set of clubs with their >> heads or re-shafted your clubs with their shafts trimmed to the zero >> slope. He also spine aligned and swingweight matched the clubs. The >> theory on this is that every club will unload at the same point at >> the bottom of the swing. He calls it Single Flex Matching (TM). >> He maintains that it would be cost prohibitive for club manufacturers >> to achieve this. He measured my 3,5,7,and 9 irons and the frequency >> numbers were 301, 310, 317, and 325. They are Rifle lite 6.0 shafts >> and he felt way too stiff for me. He watched me hit some balls and >> recommended that I use 298 cpm (steel shafted) irons and 243 cpm >> (graphite shafted) woods. I am a zero handicap (6'3" 40 year old) >> with a smooth (slow to medium tempo) swing with a 5 iron swing speed >> of about 90 mph. What are your thoughts and feelings about this >> method and what frequency slope do most of you use when building >> custom clubs? >> Rob Campbell >> ____________________________________________________ >> ShopTalk Frequency slope.gif >> <http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309&lang=9> IncrediMail >> - Email has finally evolved - Click Here >> <http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309&lang=9> > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > <http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309&lang=9> IncrediMail - > Email has finally evolved - Click Here > <http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309&lang=9>
