Figured I'd stir up a little bit with that post.  I know all the numbers  for yardage error per degree of incorrect lie, and I agree that a situation where there is a 4* difference in lie angle between clubs needs to be fixed, but I just don't see that much error often enough to justify spending $1000 for a L/L machine.  If I really need to adjust them, I'll go over to Dave Haude's shop and use his, or go to Bill Wellman's shop and use his.  I bent a helluva lot of clubs for practice when I worked with Dave a few years ago, but probably only adjusted 2-3 sets in the several months I worked with Dave...and he has a long customer list. 
 
From a fitting standpoint, I figure I can do a whole lot more good for a golfer by matching the shaft to his swing, then building a highly matched set of clubs using the NF2 and frequency analyzer to get them as accurate as possible.  I'm a firm believer in using the best tools possible, but so far, I haven't seen enough "bad" lofts and lies to justify the expense to "she who must be obeyed".  I own my shop, but she keeps a sharp eye on the bottom line....
 
One possible reason I see less problems with L/L is that I don't have a large base of scratch customers (or for that matter even a small base...).  The second is that here in Houston, we rarely end up having to hit off of mats, and unless we hit a real dry spell, the ground stays reasonably soft.  So even though I check L/L for folks, and also do dynamic testing, I rarely see a situation where L/L is a significant problem for somebody.
 
Sooooo.....going back to Alan's question, given a need to make a choice, I'd spend my money on an NF2, then a frequency analyzer, then a good L/L machine. 
 
 
Royce   
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Al Taylor
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 2:18 PM
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Subject: RE: ShopTalk: NF2

Ahhhhhhh Royce, you purveyor of heretical mythology.  ;-)  Good guy that you are, let me differ a bit.  We won't argue on the calculated yardage error per degree of incorrect lie, I am sure.  At the higher lofts, where most golfer use the most clubs, the error magnifies.  Simple math.  Now I am of the philosophy that even a bad golfer should at least hit his bad shots consistently.  If you have a 9i that is 2* flat and a PW that is 2* upright, you are going to drive any golfer, trying to improve his game, nuts.  The better golfer is going to say that there is something wrong with his clubs.  The average golfer is going to say it is his swing and try to adjust.  That will have the golfer chasing himself trying to correct his swing.  I know.  I still do it.  A bit exaggerated yes, but the principle is the same.  You can't improve your swing etc if your weapons are not consistent.  OTOH, one of my scratch golfers came to me with lies and lofts askew.  He wouldn't let me touch them since he knew every nuance of each club.  He knew to aim left with one of them and hit harder with another.  Something most of us could never do.  FWIW on this slow Saturday while I am hiding from the wife that has a long list of stuff for me to do.

Al

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