Well, look; It really doesn't matter what lie angle is shown on the L&L machine. Whether its a Scotland, a Mitchell, a Maltby, a GS, or a hammer and a vise. What matters is how you define the correct lie angle, and how you bend to that angle - without regard to the actual number.
You can't possibly know what the proper lie angle for a given iron is unless you have the golfer hit balls with it from a hard surface - a lie board. I have used, and still use, a piece of "Masonite" hardboard that's about 3/8" thick, 4 feet square. I have (or at least I used to when I was working full-time) my customers hit real golf balls from the board. I made certain the golfer was warmed up first. Then I placed 1/2" masking tape on the sole of the clubs, marked the center and had them hit at least 5 or 6 shots with each and every iron in the bag. The adjustments, 1 degree per 1/4" of off-center marks were and are simple to perform. You can clamp the head in the L&L machine nearly any way you want, observe what the indicater shows, and make the bend. Now, I'm not suggesting that you need to be sloppy, and in fact I set the head in my Scotland very carefully. What I'm implying is that all you're doing is changing the angle from one point to another to fit the golfer. A 2� bend is a 2� bend regardless of what the indicator reads. Certainly you'd be interested in the actual angle, but you don't need to know it to fit the golfer. I've done more L&L adjustments than I can count over the years and its a pretty rare individual who requires a precise 1� angle change from club to club. Some guys will go from say, a 60� 5 iron to an 63� 6 iron to a 62� 7 iron. As far as I know, there's no golfer in existence who matches any preconceived measuring "standard." I realize you must start with something, but once you start, changes are hardly ever linear. TFlan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom and Donna Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: ShopTalk: CLUB LIE ANGLE > I know I read somewhere, maybe here in ShopTalk, a standard for club lie > angle. My question however is how do you know what to change it to? > When I address the ball with a club, woods and irons, I feel like I have > to stretch my arms out so the club sets flat on the ground. I much > prefer to have my arms loose and hanging from the shoulders. When I do > this I am told that I am not striking the ball correctly, that I am not > getting full power into the swing contact with the ball. So, can I > alter that lie without damaging my set of clubs? My irons are TA 845s', > woods are various different makes ranging from TI 360 driver to 9 wood. > > Looking at the clubs at address I can not tell the difference myself, > after all how much does it have to be off to make a diff? > > -- > ------------ > Tom and Donna Mason > Athens, Texas > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ #1294190 > >
