Re: ShopTalk: Apache iron shafts

[Bernie Baymiller]

I've been playing Apache PM-30i (the newer PM-30+ are similar) for about 10 years on my Chicago 944C irons. The first set I bought were R-1s at 283 cpm. I was hitting an R those days, but those R's played way too stiff for me...no distance and felt like telephone poles. I pulled the R-1shafts, dropped down to an A-2 at 275 cpm, trimmed club length 1/2" longer than standard graphite length, bent the heads 2° flat, picked up 15 yards and have been hitting them better than anything I've tried since....at least 5 other sets. Got them out again last Fall and they've been in the bag ever since. Am putting together another set now with 74 gram TSLW 300 closeout As and last year's set of Pro Perimeters. The shafts were very consistent on my NF4 and matched up great. But, I'll bet they won't play better than those A-2 Apaches.   Somewhere along the way, I used a replacement Apache PM-30 Light on my 8-iron. This seems to play almost normal, but on that short a club, there isn't much difference in the two shafts.   I'd say the Apaches PM-30i (PM-30+) shafts play at least a half flex stiffer than listed, and more like three quarter flex for me.   Bernie Write to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Kellison To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Apache iron shafts I'm familiar with the frequency marks (and the spine markings) on the shaft butt.  I've used them frequently in woods.  However, I seem to remember one ShopTalker who was adamant that even if the shaft measured the same on a meter as it was marked on the shaft, it PLAYED stiffer than the frequency measured, by at least 1/2 flex.  I just wanted to see if this experience was repeated by others contributing to this august body of experts. FWIW, I picked them up on E-Bay from a guy in upstate NY who was going out of business.  As we were relatively close geographically, I drove down to what was left of his shop to verify that they were new before I paid for them. Regards, Ron On 31-Jan-06, at 10:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enjoy them. Curse loudly when you can't replace them.