Can't I believe in both guys?

A little hard to argue the fact that most golfers can handle a shorter driver better than a longer driver.

As I sell nearly everything online, I figured early on (late 90's) that I would specialize in something and get really good at it. I don't build irons (except for myself), impossible to do online. But I am good at building/reshafting with lightweight components and that is my niche. Not many were doing it and there is a substantial group of golfers that really like lightweight/long drivers and I'm happy to leave the shorter/straighter market to others.

The shaft manufacturers are slowly starting to catch up with the king of micro (AJ Tech) and are making some really nice shafts that are priced right (still not as good as AJ's stuff, but pretty decent). I learned most of what I know about lightweight stuff from spending an unbelievable number of hours on the phone with AJ over the years.

The new grips that are 50% lighter have been a big help, so the technology is there that wasn't available a very short time ago to do some interesting things with a driver.

I'll be polite and not comment on your approaching birthday...

Thanks for all the great points in your note. I should note that I have paid a LOT of attention to the things that you and Tom have written and really appreciate the learning opportunities you guys have provided.

John

Interesting observations, John.
I mostly agree.
Comments below...

At 07:31 AM 5/5/2011, [email protected] wrote:

I think the lighter drivers (I'm in the 190g head/55g shaft/25g grip/46-46/5" crowd) are easier to hit for many golfers (especially seniors). More distance,too, but shaving 50-60g just feels easier to hit for me and I don't have to swing as hard to keep control and distance (and the testimonials that are starting to roll in confirm). Standard weight drivers start to feel like a sledge hammer on the 17th tee.


This is mostly a plug (IMHO) for getting the weight out of shafts. I definitely believe in that. But getting the weight out of the clubhead? It may do for some people and some design approaches. Definitely not all.

Hey, I turn 70 next month, and have been losing distance since I was 65. But my #1 driver has a very light shaft (49g) and a heavier than average head (206g). (Those are from David Dugally's Golf Coast: a Vector TourSpec head and Fierce FullForce shaft. Outstanding components.)

It all boils down to whether you believe Bernie Baymiller or Tom Wishon. I believe that either one might be right for any given golfer. But I have done better with the Wishon philosophy: Off-the-shelf brand-name drivers are too long. BTW, nobody seems to think off-the-shelf brand-name drivers are the right length; Bernie thinks they're too short. :)

Anyway, until the past year or so, the shaft has been the "coarse tuning dial" for club weight. Shafts were available over a 70g range, while heads maybe 15g at most. If I wanted light weight, I would get a light shaft. In order to maintain the club's heft, I'd need to either build it longer or get extra weight. I do better with the Wishon philosophy, so the heavy Vector TourSpec head is called for.

Now lightweight heads are also available. As for whether I could be helped by a lightweight head... The driver's heft (swingweight/MOI) would be too small. Actually, I just tried that very exercise two days ago, swinging a 5-iron that was 6-8 swingweight points lighter than my own. Sure, it swung very easy. But I HAD TO SWING EASY. If I turned it loose, there was no hint of control; the ball went all over the lot. And the easy swing didn't give me enough distance, even with the lighter club -- and very little increase in control.

BOTTOM LINE:
        * Lightweight shafts make sense.
* Lightweight heads only make sense if you want to build the club longer, or if you're dealing with someone who has almost no swing speed at all. But it does make sense in those cases.

One bad thing I noticed yesterday on the range. After flailing away with my lightweight driver for 1/2 hour, my steel shafted iron felt really heavy. Jumping back and forth from superlight to heavy might cause problems.


Excellent point!

That comes back to my point about club heft. Much of the problem is the lack of HEFT (not overall weight), unless you built the club long enough to make up for the ultralight components.

If you just went ultralight and lived with the reduced heft, then it DEFINITELY swings differently. "Jumping back and forth" would be a real problem.

And if you did make it long enough to keep the heft up, then re-read Bernie's "instruction manual" for long drivers. It does take a different swing. That means "jumping back and forth" requires switching swings each time you jump.

Cheers!
DaveT


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