Hi Davy,
While I respect your opinion I am in the Wishon camp that one degree does
not make a difference for mid to high handicappers. Please reread his post
posted here on Shoptalk:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/shoptalk/conversations/topics/75059
And also read post #3 on another article written by Tom:
http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/708394-how-much-distance-is-1-degree/#entry5425256
I will take it even a step further. When a player grips down to hit a 1/2
shot or hits a knockdown shot isn’t the lie altered then? ( less shaft droop-
shorter length combination)
Now as far as Hogan I unfortunately did not get a chance to see him play
except for some excerpts of Shell’s wonderful world of golf. I did read his
book many times over though.
However it is no surprise that he played flat irons as he had a flat swing and
his misses early in his career were hooks. He also modified his grip
accordingly.
Moreover club specs from back then were also different than today’s.
Enjoy your Sunday.
André
From: Davy
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 12:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Loft/Lie Question
@ Andre Cantin
Lies should be set dynamically after the proper swingweight or MOI has been
established.
One degree can make a difference, especially on the more lofted irons.
I have seen old pros thumping the heel of irons on concrete trying to flatten
the lie. Many tour pros back in the 1950s-1970s played with considerably
flatter and considerably heavier irons than many of today's tour players.
Hogan's irons were purported to be about 6* flat. This has been argued but Tom
Wishon actually saw some of Hogan's clubs and confirms that they were
considerably flatter and heavier than you'd expect.
Golfers will indeed adapt to incorrect lies and that is the problem. Any time
you are adapting to your equipment you are introducing a variable that requires
compensation and that equates to inconsistency. The idea is to eliminate as
many variables as possible. You can compensate for ill-fitting shoes but
they'll make you run funny. Same with golf clubs.
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André Cantin <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 2:14:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Loft/Lie Question
@ Davy
It gets confusing. So many claims out there.
Dynamic lie fitting or ink line drawn to the back of the ball:
http://www.golfwrx.com/277293/the-best-way-to-fit-lie-angle/ or lie detector
file:///C:/Users/Laptop0001/Downloads/LieDetector.pdf
Does 1 degree really make a difference?
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/shoptalk/conversations/topics/75059
Rumour has it that Trevino would have his irons bent until he was satisfied
with the ball flight.¸
TFlan would debate that you hardly encounter a flat lie on the real course.
Maltby claims that some golfers adapt to ill fitted lies
As Old Schultz used to say: I know nothing, I hear nothing and I see nothing
From: Davy
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 2:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Loft/Lie Question
@ Andre Cantin
Donald Trump is going to build a wall. Hillary turned over all of her emails.
And it was just coincidence that Obama gave Iranians $400 million in francs and
euros on a dark runway at the pinnacle of a prisoner release.
Always consider the source and then keep the source honest. Allow for honest
mistakes as you trust but verify.
That said, if you walk into many of the most experienced and qualified golf
club shops worldwide, you are likely to see a Mitchell machine.
Twenty plus years of using Mitchell have satisfied this clubmaker that the
investment was well worth it.
In service of full transparency, I don't have a darn thing to do with Mitchell
beyond being a purchaser....but on second thought, maybe a call would be in
order to reference this message.
-Davy.
Date: 08/05/16
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