>> You're apparently trying to separate the idea of proving an update
>> traveled a specific path from the idea of using this information to
>> actually filter or determine any other policy. I don't see how you can
>> separate the two --can you explain how you can?
> 
> If you can establish the former (that the route did travel across the path it 
> said it did), that outcome can be used as input to policy.  This is exactly 
> analogous to draft-ietf-sidr-pfx-validate-01, BTW.
> 
> Divide, conquer.  A commonly used trick in computing. :-)

Hmmm...

This is what I thought.

1. Shane and I are arguing that you can't --or shouldn't-- imply policy
based on which AS a particular piece of routing information went through
multiple hops from you (I hope that's right, Shane).

2. You answered:

> I interpret the proposed charter item to be asking not "if AS_B *should* in 
> fact be announcing which of AS_A's routes or in what form" but rather roughly 
> "if AS_B *did* in fact announce which of AS_A's routes and in what form".

3. My question was --it seems you're trying to say, "no, I don't want to
infer policy from this, I just want to prove what happened." At which
point I asked --what's the difference if, in fact, you intend to act
based on what you perceive as "what happened?"

In trying to "divide and conquer," you're actually assuming step 2 from
step 1 --and the assumption is what I think we need to drive out into
the open air and discuss by building a set of requirements other than,
"I want to prove what happened."

:-)

Russ

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