On Aug 9, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Randy Bush wrote:

> all in all, as my preso is being a bit mis-remembered, i think rereading
> my preso may be helpful
> 
>    http://archive.psg.com/110728.sidr-replay.pdf


+1. I don't see anything in my notes on Randy's presentation about "are pretty 
much useless and add considerable churn and complexity with little return from 
a practical attack surface perspective". The closest I see in my notes is 
"Doesn't gain anything against attack where an attacker could just do a 
withdraw".

--Paul Hoffman

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