Hi Owen,

what has ARIN to do with the policy in APNIC?
I could also justify my arguments by saying that the RIPE policy allows up to a /29 per member.. and that policy works very well as well.

Let's not use other regions' policies to justify disapproval of this policy proposal. Especially when both ARIN and RIPE have different policies that work very well.

I would like to ask you to explain what kind of errors/difficulties may induce the allocation of a /29 (instead of a /28) in regards to RPKI and DNSSSEC. I do not really understand that part (sorry, I am not very technical). If it's fat-fingering you are talking about, that can happen regardless of the size of the allocation.

I find it surprising that you oppose to a policy proposal that would allow members of APNIC to use more IPv6 addresses just because the policy does not say 'more than more' (/28s instead of /29s).

cheers,
elvis

On 18/09/14 09:35, Owen DeLong wrote:
Absolutely… That is current policy in the ARIN region and it is working well.

The reality is that the amount saved by doing non-nibble boundary allocations is insignificant compared to the likely increase in human factors related errors induced and other varieties of inconvenience (RPKI difficulties, DNSSEC difficulties, etc.)

In reality, there are probably well under 1,000,000 organizations that could justify more than a /28 (i.e. a /24) world wide. Probably at most a few million ISPs that would be able to justify more than a /32 (i.e. a /28, serving more than 50,000 customers), I think we’re fine.

If it turns out I’m wrong and we burn through 2000::/3 this way in less than 50 years, than I will happily admit it and help anyone who is interested draft more restrictive policies for the remaining untouched ~3/4 of IPv6 address space.

So far, we haven’t even managed to polish off a /12 in any region.

Owen

On Sep 17, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Elvis Velea <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Hi Owen and Mike,

can you explain why /28 and not /29?

Why waste so much and use only nibble boundaries? What would you accept if someone needs more than a /28, allocation of a /24?

Kind regards,
Elvis

On 18/09/14 06:24, HENDERSON MIKE, MR wrote:
Just for the avoidance of any doubt, I completely agree with Owen's position on this matter.
To reiterate:
·I can accept that sparse allocations already made on /29 boundaries can be expanded to fill the entire /29, if there is no room to expand them to a /28. ·I do not agree that any new/ 29 allocations should be made, the next size above /32 should be /28
Regards
Mike
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Yes, I still feel it misses my point completely.
I have no problem with expanding the existing reservations which are bounded at /29 to /29. I don’t want to see us move the default allocation in the sparse allocation world to larger than /32. Larger than /32 should require additional justification for those blocks. Further, I don’t want to see us creating a default at a non-nibble boundary. For organizations that show need for larger than a /32, I would support a default of /28, but will continue to oppose a default expansion to /29.
Owen
On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:59 PM, (Tomohiro -INSTALLER- Fujisaki/藤崎智 宏) <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Thank you so much for your comments.
>
> Here, just I would like to confirm,
>
> | 1. unrestricted issuance of /29s to every organization regardless of needs.
>
> I've added some texts that LIRs would like to to obtain a additional
> block larger than /32 need to demonstrate their needs in version 3
> (prop-111-v003).
>
>> From the mail I sent on 1st August:
> |
> | I submitted revised version of:
> | “prop-111: Request-based expansion of IPv6 default allocation size"
> |
> | At the last policy sig discussion, I got concern about address
> | allocation without any constraint, and some criteria should be added
> | to expand the block size.
> |
> | In this revised proposal, I added the requirement to demonstrate
> | need for both initial and subsequent allocations to reflect such opinions.
> |
> | For initial allocation:
> | > The organizations
> | > can receive up to /29 by providing utilization information of the whole
> | > address space.
> |
> | For subsequent allocation:
> | > LIRs that hold one or more IPv6 allocations are able to request
> | > extension of each of these allocations up to a /29 without meeting
> | > the utilization rate for subsequent allocation by explaining
> | > how the whole address space will be used.
>
> # The wording is slightly different from latest (v004) version.
>
> Do you think corrent text is not enough?
>
> Yours Sincerely,
> --
> Tomohiro Fujisaki
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