Hi all,
- Do you support or oppose the proposal? I don`t support this proposal. - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal? It is blocking the freedom of internet included business transfer or marketing selling. - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? I think for now, the policy is already protected the final /8, due to the current policy is only accept the owner to transfer to the new owner after 1 year membership, that`s mean people cannot just open a new account and sell it at the same time. They must pay cost and time to holding the resource. At this point, that is already enough for protecting the last /8 IP address . And APNIC can also monitoring the BGP routing table, to be confirm the new assigned IP block is routed on the public internet. - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective? "prohibit to transfer" is not work at all. APNIC can monitor the routed IP on the public routing table. and set a deadline (e.g 6 months) , in case no routed on the Internet after 6 months, APNIC can withdraw the IP address from the member. Best Regards, Ernest Tse Pacswitch Globe Telecom Ltd. // Web: https://u5763498.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=xF2otKml8FKK0iLyO1O8hgJEEKE0n4lX3qwSddKMZq8-3D_UAkvnIPiyHBK93gJxXZbN-2FFqWUVGpvc0TKjBg0wTWpVYcu5bcjlTBQ4-2BLEwV5AUyoeG7-2Fy5WXg4VJ0l0Ii-2BYx-2F1GEJqThJuphbtSu3taoC0TstdiIR-2B-2BjG-2FDt0AS-2BUiO81KIg99jnPPcf4l5RRvEfTCfwYn2mbUkyLLLT1-2FceOVK9YoL-2FlO-2BYB7FRSuUjSfUH3muOjPE0CQBhuaOSP9g-2FW4fBrkOnHFKeZJq-2BTtE7t8-3D // Tel: +852-21570550 //Mobile: +852-62536678 //Skype: codesixs On Wed, 23/08/2017 15.50, Masato Yamanishi <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tomohiro and All, > While I support the rational of this proposal, I would like to suggest excluding M&A transfer from the scope and allowing it as it is. I don't think v4 space allocated from final /8 to the company which is a target of M&A would become a deal breaker of "real" M&A. Rather, people who work for that M&A will not find this policy or just ignore it, then the company will be acquired, but the space cannot be transferred, and whois data will not be updated. I know that somebody may use M&A transfer with different intension, but I think it is "collateral". > Regards, Matt > > 2017-08-08 23:12 GMT-07:00 chku <[email protected]>: > > Dear SIG members > > A new version of the proposal "prop-116: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 > addresses in the final /8 block" has been sent to the Policy SIG for > review. > > It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 44 which will > be held in Taichung, Taiwan on Wednesday and Thursday, 14 & 15 September > 2017. > > Information about earlier versions is available from: > > https://u5763498.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=xF2otKml8FKK0iLyO1O8huUrPPtUbHhO65cb-2BIfOx1yQjk8JFqaVBIhGSNZmoA60HzfaHCDu9Iw4b6uebr7emg-3D-3D_UAkvnIPiyHBK93gJxXZbN-2FFqWUVGpvc0TKjBg0wTWpVYcu5bcjlTBQ4-2BLEwV5AUylZWIoG81FGLSBISlybgpQART1xW4xUsS5mxJZOgfbj-2FN1Z5B8t6Er81kgnuuXecCMD8nZNyg3gLSFpqR8p7hEJzPDUvmDcoX27SmaB6Oab8gSbuiGhLT13LUckkivPp-2BJ-2BkmimmnM0g9kDjJ2Jui-2BZz0wp-2B3IAwKE3hLg-2FbloVU-3D > > You are encouraged to express your views on the proposal: > > - Do you support or oppose the proposal? > - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal? > - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? > - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective? > > Please find the text of the proposal below. > > Kind Regards, > > Sumon, Bertrand, Ching-Heng > APNIC Policy SIG Chairs > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > prop-116-v004: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in the final /8 block > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposer: Tomohiro Fujisaki > [email protected] > > > 1. Problem statement > -------------------- > > There are a lot of transfers of IPv4 address blocks from 103/8 > happening, both within the APNIC region and among RIRs. > > Then number of transfer from 103/8 block are about 200, which is about > 12% of the total number of transfers. This looks so high since APNIC > manages about 40/8. > > And based on the information provided by APNIC Secretariat, number of > transfers from the 103/8 block are increasing year by year. > > Updated by APNIC Secretariat on 27 January 2017: > > 1) M&A transfers containing 103/8 space > > +------+-----------+-----------+- > | | Total | Number of | > | Year | Transfers | /24s | > +------+-----------+-----------+- > | 2011 | 3 | 12 | > | 2012 | 10 | 46 | > | 2013 | 18 | 66 | > | 2014 | 126 | 498 | > | 2015 | 147 | 573 | > | 2016 | 63 | 239 | > | 2017 | 45 | 178 | > +------+-----------+------------+- > > 2) Market transfers containing 103/8 space > > +------+-----------+-----------+ > | | Total | Number of | > | Year | Transfers | /24s | > +------+-----------+-----------+ > | 2011 | 2 | 2 | > | 2012 | 21 | 68 | > | 2013 | 16 | 61 | > | 2014 | 25 | 95 | > | 2015 | 67 | 266 | > | 2016 | 103 | 394 | > | 2017 | 70 | 288 | > +------+-----------+-----------+ > > And also, transfers from the 103/8 block include: > - Take place within 1 year of distribution, or > - Multiple blocks to a single organization in case of beyond 1 year. > > Further, there is a case where a single organization have received 12 > blocks transfers from 103 range. > > see: https://u5763498.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=16bEysF9x2jUX1XY2ZMKUg8gVLuW61BSR2eB8RsQYdH8zD7GXy6jhlTyK5G3dMIUGHT9gdk4VkDuKrAW1lF6NA-3D-3D_UAkvnIPiyHBK93gJxXZbN-2FFqWUVGpvc0TKjBg0wTWpVYcu5bcjlTBQ4-2BLEwV5AUy45AwZ90ADSaVLfWgVGs7WXlF4aXWLAcMeTO9KtO7FscDlXkClYEH4Jil1EWUpBiPsTCiCw6e6PsMWZa3hYeZIRErPyds-2B1h-2FZOO2lEzv6D3KchGMGVFSgOxSmeARjXmQF0pv4w-2BFA1rj-2BsR3Pi0zPbMDDcnKwtGg3ElEjvOAuxY-3D > > >From these figures, it is quite likely that substantial number of 103/8 > blocks are being used for transfer purpose. > > This conflicts with the concept of distribution of 103/8 block > (prop-062), which is intended to accommodate minimum IPv4 address blocks > for new comers. > > prop-062: Use of final /8 > https://u5763498.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=16bEysF9x2jUX1XY2ZMKUpZ2MNT0Jh9riZ8Aw0jq3-2BBKFT98-2BB8q5RClctPGmvsE4BXqvGUawDCW-2Bgfn5Jn7-2Bw-3D-3D_UAkvnIPiyHBK93gJxXZbN-2FFqWUVGpvc0TKjBg0wTWpVYcu5bcjlTBQ4-2BLEwV5AUyJ12aygnMJevx0WA5dOGUVpQ-2FnkUfncqB2yTgjLtn32DbooMBQ8ryBUd7lhTHAvb-2FSqnnIMx2oe5KABMfJ01Nq46ZmulYD22ceW3Kti-2BDTPRnJaOChmAVfxrnJsmb5es3ST5ihduEujkTj7m8sCFuyuEHY-2F-2B3K31pSSc0FM78ZQA-3D > > > 2. Objective of policy change > ----------------------------- > > When stated problem is solved, distribution from 103/8 block will be > consistent with its original purpose, for distribution for new entrants > to the industry. Without the policy change, substantial portion of 103/8 > blocks will be consumed for transfer purpose. > > > 3. Situation in other regions > ----------------------------- > > None. > > > 4. Proposed policy solution > --------------------------- > > Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under /8 address block (103/8) which > have not passed two years after its allocation/assignment. If the > address block allocated to a LIR in two years is not needed any more, it > must return to APNIC to allocate to another organization using final /8 > policy. This two years requirement will apply both market and M&A > transfers. > > 5. Advantages / Disadvantages > ----------------------------- > > Advantages: > - It makes 103/8 blocks available according to the original purpose, > as distribution for new entrants (rather than being consumed for > transfer purpose) > > - IPv4 addresses under final /8 are not transferred to outside APNIC. > > - By prohibiting transfer, them, it is possible to keep one /22 for > each LIRs state, which is fair for all LIRs. > > Disadvantages: > None. > > > 6. Impact on resource holders > ------------------------------ > > - LIRs cannot transfer address blocks under 103/8. No big impact while > they use it. > > - Organizations which needs to receive transferred IPv4 can continue > to do so, outside 103/8 blocks (which should be made available for > new entrants) > > > 7. 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