{apologies for the top-posting}
Dear APNIC SIG-Policy,
...imho! the response provided below by Fernando
adds good elements on the fact that this Policy
Proposal isn't intended to prevent valid operational
practices.
That said! given the good point made by Aftab; regarding some operational
consideration, allow
me to suggest that:
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|1. we adopt the draft definition provided by Jordi
|as primary part;
|2. we add some phrasing in order to mention some
|example of exceptions that the Staff (&who might
|be concerned) should consider while dealing with
|valid operational practices which might appear
|similar to real cases of leasing practices.
|3. eventually the additional phrase also mentions
|the full right of the Staff to freely decide in case of
|ambiguity or side-effect regarding any reasonable
|and validly justified operational practices.
|4. ...
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Shalom,
--sb.
Le jeudi 8 septembre 2022, Fernando Frediani <[email protected]> a
écrit :
> Hello Aftab
>
> Let me address this concern so perhaps it gets better clarified.
>
> If an organization who is for example a CDN provider and asks APNIC for an
> ASN number and IP addresses and have justified will use them to provide
> hosting and CDN services to their customers through the infrastructure they
> own or contract from a provider, then there is nothing wrong if eventually
> that CDN provider asks for their upstream provider who provide them
> connectivity and colocation services, to announce their prefixes with the
> upstream ASN and not their own.
>
> In this scenario there is no problem that the CDN provider ASN will not
> appear in the as-path because at the end the resources remaing being used
> for what they were originally justified and for the own resource holder to
> use them to provide internet services to their customers.
>
> I personally think that not appearing the resource holder ASN in the
> as-path could be a signal of that resources are being rented but this alone
> cannot be something forbidden.
> The important things is that resources get used by the resource holder for
> what they were justified and according to the current policy.
>
> Best regards
> Fernando
> On 08/09/2022 08:20, Aftab Siddiqui wrote:
>
>
> skipping the other bits..
>
> If there is not a direct link from an LIR to a customer, then is not a
>> direct connectivity. So, in that case is not tied to a connectivity service.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I have a simple question, is this an example of leasing or not?
> 103.93.157.0/25 allocated to an entity with 2 ASNs (AS149847 and
> AS136594) but it is announced by AS32787. The original entite ASNs are not
> in the path at all.
>
> 103.93.157.0/24* and 103.114.130.0/24*
> apnic|AU|ipv4|103.93.156.0|512|20170523|allocated|A91A0031
> apnic|AU|ipv4|103.114.130.0|512|20180427|assigned|A91A0031
> apnic|AU|asn|149847|1|20220526|allocated|A91A0031
> apnic|AU|asn|136594|1|20170523|allocated|A91A0031
>
> N*> 103.93.157.0/24 169.254.169.254 50 0 64515 65534
> 20473 *32787* i
> N*> 103.114.130.0/24 169.254.169.254 50 0 64515 65534
> 20473 *32787* i
>
> Answer to this question is important because you are mixing business and
> operational practices.
>
> [...]
>
>
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