On 7/17/07, shiv sastry  wrote:
On Tuesday 17 Jul 2007 3:32 pm, ashok _ wrote:
> I would say "hindu kingdoms" (rather than "indians do not document
> anything" ) did not document anything. The arab tradition of
> documenting everything was followed by muslim kingdoms...
er.. a very small percentage of Muslims in India would fall in that category
IMO. There rest were Hindus and behaved like Hindus even after conversion for
various reasons.


I am not talking about general social commentary.

I am talking about a history written by historians, geographers,
travelers.  I don't see how the issue of a converted person writing
history comes up.....

The mughal emperors had an army of historians and geographers and
actively encouraged such activity... for e.g. abul fazal, mirza
nathan, abdul qadir badauni.  Are you saying there people were not
indian ?

(Apart from that there were travelers from the arab world who wrote
social travelogues... ibn khaldoun, Al Biruni... Traveling of course
was not a strong point for hindus, they were generally navel gazers )

However we are heading into Naipaulesque territory here. The narrative of a
convert would not normally reflect what is pre-conversion or even
pre-islamic.

i  think few of these historians mentioned were converts, and not all
of them wrote with prejudice and bias (a lot of documented history of
hindu society in that period comes from the works of these people....)

On Naipaul, I have read one of his books about islam... while he makes
certain interesting observations, he has many "tainted views". For
one,  he neither speaks nor understands arabic which i think is
neccessary to make any objective anthropological on the religion and
its philosophy....he is a traveler with many biases, and many of these
biases are based on his indian roots.....

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