--- On Wed, 20/5/09, Bonobashi <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: Bonobashi <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [silk] Why have Indian exit polls been so off lately?
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009, 9:41 AM
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 20/5/09, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [silk] Why have Indian exit polls been so
> off lately?
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009, 9:11 AM
> > I put it to you that IG didn’t
> > particularly intend this as a laundry list of
> megalomaniac
> > people who made chariots and elephants run on time.
> >
> > And that you are missing and/or skating around his
> point
> > again.
> >
> > srs
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]]
> > On Behalf Of ss
> > Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2009 9:05 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [silk] Why have Indian exit polls been so
> off
> > lately?
> >
> > On Tuesday 19 May 2009 2:40:16 pm Bonobashi wrote:
> > > * My objection to Modi was nowhere
> > connected to Hindutvabadi; it was
> > > connected to our usual, may I say facile, ability
> to
> > gloss over breaches of
> > > the rule of law,
> > >
> > > * It is the same objection that I
> > have to an historical figure, Husain
> > > Shahed Suhrawardy, for exactly the same reasons,
> > except that Modi happens
> > > to be Hindu, and Suhrawardy was Muslim.
> > >
> > > * It is the same objection that I
> > have to Tytler, Sajjan Kumar and the
> > > unlamented swine H. K. L. Bhagat.
> > >
> > > * It is the same objection that I
> > have to the Muslim crowds that
> > > demonstrated to numbers in Calcutta, seeking the
> > expulsion of the hapless
> > > Taslima Nasreen. Being a hopeless and pedestrian
> > writer doesn't warrant
> > > such brutal measures, nor such a flagrant breach
> of
> > the rule of law.
> > >
> > > So which part of Hindutva, or which Hindutvabadi
> was I
> > guilty of hauling up
> > > before my kangaroo court?
> >
> > IG I cannot but agree with your view of the names you
> have
> > posted above.
> >
> > But please take another look at the names you have
> posted.
> > Your list of people
> > who have benefited from the " facile ability to gloss
> over
> > breaches of the
> > rule of law," does not extend to names earlier than
> the
> > 20th century.
> >
> > Now what if you were to extend that list back by say
> 5000
> > years.
> >
> > On the face of it this may sound like a ridiculous
> > exercise. After all,
> > credible records of the actions tyrants and genocidal
> > maniacs though all
> > those centuries do not exist. But records do exist of
> a few
> > of them. And many
> > of them still benefit from the "facile ability to
> gloss
> > over breaches of
> > the rule of law" and retain reputations they do not
> deserve
> > centuries after
> > their death
> >
> > I put it to you that "pseudosecularism" is the ability
> to
> > recognise tyranny
> > and genocide after a cutoff date (such as circa 1900)
> and
> > the facile ability
> > to gloss over the tyranny of a long list of tyrants
> before
> > that date.
> >
> > Would you be guilty of that perhaps?
> >
> > shiv
>
>
> Well, yes, SRS, if you choose that particular sequence of
> words, but I prefer to coopt a mind like Shiv's. His kind of
> mind cannot resist the bait of naked logic; just leave him
> to it.
>
> Before you go further, if you want a quick peek into my
> thinking, go read Mudrarakshasa.
>
> Remembering always that you are addressing a crude,
> brutalising Sudra, not a subtle, sophistry-imbued Brahmin.
After hitting a strange <enter> button in haste, and regretting the wording
above thereafter, it seems to me that a more felicitous wording might have been:
"Remembering always that, in me, you are addressing a crude brutalising Sudra,
not a subtle, sophistry-imbued Brahmin."
This is an afterthought and a genuflexion in the direction of intra-communal
harmony; that means that you mlechhas can sit this one out.
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