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Today's Topics:
1. For the Arundhati Roy haters out there (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
2. Re: For the Arundhati Roy haters out there (Indrajit Gupta)
3. Re: For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
(Suresh Ramasubramanian)
4. Re: For the Arundhati Roy haters out there (Pavithra Sankaran)
5. Re: For the Arundhati Roy haters out there (Deepa Mohan)
6. Re: For the Arundhati Roy haters out there (Indrajit Gupta)
7. Re: For the Arundhati Roy haters out there (Indrajit Gupta)
8. Re: For the Arundhati Roy haters out there (J. Alfred Prufrock)
9. Re: For the Arundhati Roy haters out there (Indrajit Gupta)
10. Re: For the Arundhati Roy haters out there (Radhika, Y.)
11. Re: For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
(Suresh Ramasubramanian)
12. Re: For the Arundhati Roy haters out there (Deepa Mohan)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:14:33 -0700
From: sur...@hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
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Absolutely classic, thanks to Atanu Dey for pointing me (and the
rest of india-gii) to it.
http://exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=6487&IBLOCK_ID=35
Great Literary Frauds of Our Time
By John Dolan
Too bad it compares the dog of small minded mallus to "to kill a
mockingbird" -
which was much better written than this one. And was actually
sincere.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:43:01 +0530 (IST)
From: Indrajit Gupta <bonoba...@yahoo.co.in>
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
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--- On Tue, 23/3/10, Suresh Ramasubramanian <sur...@hserus.net> wrote:
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <sur...@hserus.net>
Subject: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 6:44
Absolutely classic, thanks to Atanu
Dey for pointing me (and the rest of india-gii) to it.
http://exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=6487&IBLOCK_ID=35
Great Literary Frauds of Our Time
By John Dolan
Too bad it compares the dog of small minded mallus to "to
kill a mockingbird" -
which was much better written than this one.? And was
actually sincere.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From an Arundhati-Roy hater, who hates the review
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Absolutely classic?
Suresh, you git, what's wrong with you? A series of vicious
remarks, no before and after, no backing for the statements made,
and that's absolutely classic?
If you are so easily turned on, I'm writing to you separately with
URLs that you really must read.
This particular essay sucks. It sneers with no pause, smiles
mysteriously and significantly and uses its elbows and winks like
it was going out of fashion.
Just watch this (an extract from the review, with comments added
after //):
"And she is a fraud. //Why? Because the essay says so; because she
said, once, in an interview a long time ago, that she liked the
book "To Kill A Mockingbird". Because she's from a long line of
Indian do-gooders who piss off the Amerikan Kulturnyi like the
writer of the essay.
"A literary careerist who has parlayed an overwritten melodrama
into unearned fame; //'Overwritten melodrama': fair dinkum;
'unearned fame': what's earned fame, smart-ass?
"a child of privilege whose early experiments in poverty were no
more than a smart career move; //Believe; I said it. Her background
is not unknown to many here. She was born to privilege, but hardly
got to see much of it. Smart career move? Difficult to refute,
since there's not even a half-assed attempt at justifying it.
"and a fake saint who fucked her way to fame and survives, in spite
of her complete lack of talent, because her crude scolding warms
the heart of old British lefties who love it when their tame Indian
slaves get up on their hind legs to denounce the bloody Americans,
who oppress the world so much less skillfully than they used to."//
Wow. Without the exclamation mark. Fake, fucking and leftie-
beloved; all the entry tickets to the American Hall of Fame, all in
one package.
Why fake? She's no saint.
What saint? Hey, don't go dumb on me. I already said I'd had enough
of Indian saints like Ghandi, Nehru and Baghwan Rajneesh (OK, OK,
he didn't say Ghandi, he did say Baghwan; he doesn't like these
Hindoo creeps getting into Pat Robertson territory).
Fucked her way to fame? Just a bald statement, presumably
meaningful because she's female; would it even have come up for a
male author? In any case, that's a disqualification for America and
Americans, or for anyone in the western world? That's news. The
reviewer mentions Updike. NOT a good idea, reviewer mio, about as
smart as her mentioning To Kill a Mockingbird where all the culture
vultures could pick it up.
Leftie-beloved? Ah, now we're getting there. That's what this piece
of shit is all about, isn't it? It's about all of these bastards
who went neutral on us when we were fighting the VC and quelling
dissent in Guatemala, and getting a handle on those pesky rebels in
Nicaragua. They and their British, homosexual, leftie fans. All
against the Amurrican way of life. What they need is the bomb.
End of quote, end of breathless rush to immortalise essay.
Suresh, you really like this? Honestly? I need to hear you say that
once again.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:22:43 -0700
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <sur...@hserus.net>
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
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Indrajit Gupta [23/03/10 09:43 +0530]:
End of quote, end of breathless rush to immortalise essay.
Suresh, you really like this? Honestly? I need to hear you say
that once again.
i would say that a lot of it - such as the copy of to kill a
mockingbird -
is true enough
yes it is more vicious than I care for - but that's more or less in
the
fight fire with fire realm
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:29:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pavithra Sankaran <forpavit...@yahoo.com>
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
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Is anyone else seeing the giveaway in bold at the very top of the
page: "Brought to you by Enron"?
------
Pavithra Sankaran
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:07:47 +0530
From: Deepa Mohan <mohande...@gmail.com>
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
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On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Indrajit Gupta
<bonoba...@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
Absolutely classic?
Suresh, you git, what's wrong with you? A series of vicious
remarks, no
before and after, no backing for the statements made, and that's
absolutely
classic?
Suresh, you really like this?
While I might not express myself with such vehemence, I do feel
that the
essay is not a well-thought-out, logical or reasonable one, for all
the
reasons IG mentions.
And I too ask the question, "Why are F*me and F*ck interchangeable
4-letter
words only when it comes to famous women?"
However...to compare the God Of Small Things (this may be the first
time in
several years that this novel's ACTUAL name is mentioned without
spoofing
it) with To Kill A Mockingbird is....I'm sorry, I'm no Arundhati
Roy, I
can't find a telling enough simile.
To Kill A Mockingbird is permeated throughout by two rare
characteristics: good writing, and goodness. Apparently Gregory
Peck was, in
real life, a person like Atticus Finch; it's the goodness of his
character,
and the innocence of the narrator, and the skill with which it's
brought out
by the author, that lifts this book to the level of good literature.
Now, Bonobashi has turned into Suresh-bashi....If Suresh likes it,
IG, he
has a right to his opinion...er, by the way, what's a "git"?
Pavithra, good point :)
Deepa.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:12:40 +0530 (IST)
From: Indrajit Gupta <bonoba...@yahoo.co.in>
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
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--- On Tue, 23/3/10, Suresh Ramasubramanian <sur...@hserus.net> wrote:
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <sur...@hserus.net>
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 9:52
Indrajit Gupta [23/03/10 09:43
+0530]:
End of quote, end of breathless rush to immortalise
essay.
Suresh, you really like this? Honestly? I need to hear
you say that once again.
i would say that a lot of it - such as the copy of to kill
a mockingbird -
is true enough
yes it is more vicious than I care for - but that's more or
less in the
fight fire with fire realm
Oh no, please, not that one; it is the ends that count, not the
means, argument. Please, please, please; it's nicer being dragged
through a hedge backwards than to go into this chestnut.
I surrender. burn that fucking witch (emphasise on the verb: good
women don't do it except with their husbands, one husband at a
time) at the stake, and cut off the right hands of all women who
come out of the kitchen and learn to read and write.
You got it, champ.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:14:16 +0530 (IST)
From: Indrajit Gupta <bonoba...@yahoo.co.in>
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
Message-ID: <332914.99730...@web94404.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
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--- On Tue, 23/3/10, Pavithra Sankaran <forpavit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Pavithra Sankaran <forpavit...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 9:59
Is anyone else seeing the giveaway in
bold at the very top of the page: "Brought to you by
Enron"?
------
Pavithra Sankaran
Naah. Now don't spoil things; it's too much fun to jump on Suresh.
Go away. Go and read the rest of the soft-porn on the magazine.
You'll find those on the margins.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:17:05 +0530
From: "J. Alfred Prufrock" <another.prufr...@gmail.com>
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
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Arundhati Roy is an over-hyped writer and an unbalanced demagogue (my
opinion)
*To Kill a Mockingbird* is a book I like very much.
The article Suresh sent is a coarse version of A Roy's polemics.
Suresh is free to like it. We are free to think it is poisonous
trash that
has little credibility.
Then we see the Enron stamp. End of discussion.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:17:35 +0530 (IST)
From: Indrajit Gupta <bonoba...@yahoo.co.in>
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
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--- On Tue, 23/3/10, Deepa Mohan <mohande...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Deepa Mohan <mohande...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 10:07
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Indrajit Gupta
<bonoba...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Absolutely classic?
Suresh, you git, what's wrong with you? A series of vicious
remarks, no before and after, no backing for the statements made,
and that's absolutely classic?
Suresh, you really like this?
?
While I might not express myself with such vehemence, I do feel
that the essay is not a well-thought-out, logical or reasonable
one, for all the reasons IG mentions.
And I too ask the question, "Why are F*me and F*ck interchangeable
4-letter words only when it comes to famous women?"?
However...to compare the God Of Small Things (this may be the first
time in several years that this novel's ACTUAL name is mentioned
without spoofing it) with To Kill A Mockingbird is....I'm sorry,
I'm no Arundhati Roy, I can't find a telling enough simile.
To Kill? A Mockingbird is permeated? throughout by? two rare
characteristics: good writing, and goodness. Apparently Gregory
Peck was, in real life, a person like Atticus Finch; it's the
goodness of his character, and the innocence of the narrator, and
the skill with which it's brought out by the author, that lifts
this book to the level of good literature.
Now, Bonobashi has turned into Suresh-bashi....If Suresh likes it,
IG, he has a right to his opinion...er, by the way, what's a "git"?
Pavithra, good point :)
===========================================
Hey, that's OK, D., Suresh liked the review, and he has a right to
his opinion; I didn't, and I have a right to mine. Suresh put up a
scurrilous review, scurrilous in every sense of the word, not his
own, somebody else's poisonous little epistle. I responded with my
own bit of poison, which has at least the virtue of being entirely
my own bit of hate.
bonobashi
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:49:30 -0700
From: "Radhika, Y." <radhik...@gmail.com>
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
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having seen To kill a mockingbird 32 times (kept the netflix dvd for 3
months) i have to agree: atticus finch was an amazing character
played with
great conviction by gregory peck. I really disliked the reviewer's
style.
also if she Fucked her way she did fuck men didn't she-how do we
know they
weren't fucking her on the way up????? or was he jealous because she
didn't?????
just wondering why a one-hit wonder is so terrible - that is a lot
better
than the total miss that most of us seem to enjoy! it is ok if he
didn't
like the book or her politics - icons tend to have feet of clay.
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Deepa Mohan <mohande...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Indrajit Gupta
<bonoba...@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
Absolutely classic?
Suresh, you git, what's wrong with you? A series of vicious
remarks, no
before and after, no backing for the statements made, and that's
absolutely
classic?
Suresh, you really like this?
While I might not express myself with such vehemence, I do feel
that the
essay is not a well-thought-out, logical or reasonable one, for
all the
reasons IG mentions.
And I too ask the question, "Why are F*me and F*ck interchangeable
4-letter
words only when it comes to famous women?"
However...to compare the God Of Small Things (this may be the
first time in
several years that this novel's ACTUAL name is mentioned without
spoofing
it) with To Kill A Mockingbird is....I'm sorry, I'm no Arundhati
Roy, I
can't find a telling enough simile.
To Kill A Mockingbird is permeated throughout by two rare
characteristics: good writing, and goodness. Apparently Gregory
Peck was, in
real life, a person like Atticus Finch; it's the goodness of his
character,
and the innocence of the narrator, and the skill with which it's
brought out
by the author, that lifts this book to the level of good literature.
Now, Bonobashi has turned into Suresh-bashi....If Suresh likes it,
IG, he
has a right to his opinion...er, by the way, what's a "git"?
Pavithra, good point :)
Deepa.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:02:10 -0700
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <sur...@hserus.net>
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
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Deepa Mohan [23/03/10 10:07 +0530]:
To Kill A Mockingbird is permeated throughout by two rare
characteristics: good writing, and goodness. Apparently Gregory
Peck was, in
real life, a person like Atticus Finch; it's the goodness of his
character,
and the innocence of the narrator, and the skill with which it's
brought out
by the author, that lifts this book to the level of good literature.
Which is why to kill a mockingbird is still a genuine hit - even
today. And
i have a much thumbed copy with me.
Taking all the ingredients of a successful recipe doesnt always
guarantee a
dish of the same quality
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:47:03 +0530
From: Deepa Mohan <mohande...@gmail.com>
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] For the Arundhati Roy haters out there
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On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Radhika, Y. <radhik...@gmail.com>
wrote:
having seen To kill a mockingbird 32 times (kept the netflix dvd
for 3
months) i have to agree: atticus finch was an amazing character
played with
great conviction by gregory peck.
Radhika, I hope you've also read the book..if you haven't do so
eftsoons and
right speedily, as any Wodehouse character would say. Once in a
rare while
you come across a book and a movie which are as good as each
other...this is
one of them. The book comes alive in the movie.
It's also wonderful to see children depicted as children and not as
mini-adults. R K Narayan and Bill Watterson have this gift, too.
And why did you keep the DVD only for 3 months?! The book and the
movie
still have the power to bring tears to my eyes. After this, the
next time I
felt like this was when I finished "The Remains of the Day". That was
powerful writing too.
Deepa.
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