I actually disagree. There's a strong divide between what's mathematically
possible, and what' happening on a day-to-day basis. Ignoring the
'bureaucratic factions' (which I guess is geek for lawyers and policy
nerds?) misses the nuance in the system.  You gotta remember -- we're
dealing with people here, and most of us (myself included) don't think
strictly in the framework of ones and zeros.

Until we're a) only dealing with machines, which I suppose makes my job
obsolete anyway, or b) programming the law, to ignore context, intent and
the like, I still argue there's a viable argument _for_ privacy, and
privacy-enhancing mechanisms.

Lots of things are possible -- doesn't mean they're legally permissible. Nor
should they be.

Carey

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:39 AM, J. Andrew Rogers <
[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mar 29, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Carey Lening wrote:
>
>
> My one and only (slightly self-interested) recommendation is that you also
> not forget the lawyers ... PbD is a big deal (or is developing into one),
> and one of the hallmarks for successful implementation is including all the
> diverse groups together to develop best privacy practices and implement
> effective technological steps from the ground up.
>
>
>
> While valuable as a point of information, the policy discussions have
> arguably fallen too far behind the technology to be constructive. When I was
> working on this problem five years ago, mostly with national governments,
> the primary issue was that politically acceptable policy could be distilled
> down to solving a couple Hard Problems in mathematics. A pragmatic group of
> people could arrive at an adequate, though imperfect, solution by simply
> ignoring some bureaucratic factions that made the problem overly difficult.
>
> Since then, the mathematics and theoretical computer science has advanced
> to such a point that privacy is generally not possible even in principle.
> The old problem was organizations securing their databases; the new problem
> is that anyone can automagically reconstruct the contents of those databases
> and much information not in any database from ambient and latent data with
> remarkable fidelity. Most people not working in this space do not appreciate
> how rapidly capability has advanced and one cannot meaningfully control
> technology when the required tool chain is both inexpensive and ubiquitous
> across the industrialized world.
>
>
> There is cognitive dissonance between my natural predilection for strong
> privacy and my intimate familiarity with the implausibility of it. Privacy
> has been reduced to *only* policy, with the weakness implied, because
> technical controls have become impractical.
>
>
> J. Andrew Rogers
>

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