Hi John,

I appreciate the synthesis of multiple ideas into one talk, but this talk
too glosses over a topic that's been bugging me recently. The idea that
shifting all our energy needs to 'renewables' is going to be a net positive.

I would like everyone's thoughts on these two links below, and the idea
that without net energy consumption reduction (through de-industrialization
and reduction of automation, probably Luddite ideas in a group such as
Silk) there is no long term benefit from switching to so-called-renewables.

How Sustainable is Solar Power?
http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/04/how-sustainable-is-pv-solar-power.html#more

SOLAR DEVICES INDUSTRIAL INFRASTRUCTURE
http://sunweber.blogspot.in/2015/04/solar-devices-industrial-infrastructure.html

Really looking forward to this discussion.

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