> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:09:21 -0500
> To: [email protected]
> From: Scott Berner <[email protected]>
> Subject: New Naturopath
> Reply-to: [email protected]
Hi Scott,
Well, I figured when I opened my mouth I would put my foot into
it!!! Please see my replies interspersed within your text below.
> Welcome James!
>
Now that I have come onboard, please call me Jim.
> Now this is really getting interesting!
>
> >Jack,
> > I am new to the silver list, I came here from the rife >list. I am a
> Registered Holistic Counselor, and just sent in >my last paper to Clayton
> College of Natural Healing to become >a Naturopath.
>
> Congratulations!
>
> > First I have a question. You said your Naturopath used >CRA testing on
> you. What is CRA testing? I have been trying >to figure it out, but have
> not done so yet.
> > Now, here's my views on using CS. I too make my own, >and have been
> > using
> a dark field microscope to check and try >to figure out the difference
> between commercial CS and >homemade CS. The commercial CS that I have
> looked at is 500 >ppm, and looks like mud.
>
> There are a lot of commercial solutions that are nowhere near this
> concentration! Just in case folks out there are inclined to think this is
> the norm for commercial solutions. This is very concentrated.
>
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> It has very
> >small particles and they move under the microscope. I understand it
> >is called "brownian" movement and it is important that the particles
> >have this movement. The homemade CS that I have checked so far has
> >little to no brownian movement, and the particle sizes are larger.
>
> Not all CS is the same, as you know. Have you compared solutions generated
> for different time periods? Different methods/protocols? This would be an
> interesting study.
> Have you noted the difference in the brownian motion when the solutions are
> of much lesser concentrations?
>
Ok, I don't yet have my very own dark field microscope, and have to
travel an hour and a half from my home to get to use one. I do plan
to look at different brands of commercial CS at different
concentrations and see what are the differences. Also, I plan to make
CS using different concentrations, temps., with salt, without salt,
etc. and compare all these together. I only get to use the microscope
one day per week, so not much time to check all of this. This will be
an ongoing project, and I will report what I find.
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> >Mine is about 200 ppm and is gray in color.
>
> I don't make mine this concentrated, but have consumed several ounces of
> well over 100 parts per million, without toxicity due to silver poisoning
> (but I did have a herx that lasted over a week before things got back to
> normal and it was necessary to use a probiotic to rebuild the intestinal
> flora which took about two weeks). Other than that, no problem.
>
> So apparently at least two of us are still alive and havn't turned gray
> yet. :)
>
> Since my above experiment to determine the safety of a large dose like
> this, I have been sticking with the lesser concentrations, as recommended
> by the physicians I have been in contact with and of whose articles I have
> read. This has worked for both myself and family and served well through
> many different types of healing opportunities. I think we ought to be more
> conservative in our dosages, personally.
>
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> > Once when I had an abcessed tooth, I drank 32 oz one day, 24 oz the
>
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> This is the most I have ever heard of anyone drinking in a single day's
> period. Thirty-two ounces of 200 ppm...... How does this line up with the
> OSHA standard???????? :) Apples and oranges! NO? Colloidal silver is a
> different animal than the silver that is being used to create fear in the
> hearts of men, and to pass legislation suppressing the true colloidal
> solutions we are manufacturing. Proof once again????? Thanks James!
>
>
> James, did anyone actually see you do this? Did you get it on video tape,
> make a documentary, or anything close? No offense, but this is really hard
> to believe. I an not trying to give you a hard time, honestly! Don't other
> people think this dosage is a bit extreme? Are there anyother physicians at
> Clayton College who advocate such methods?
>
My wife saw me drink part of it! I saw me drink it all!!! (HA) I have
not asked anyone else about this dosage. I had a jaw that was
hurting, and I wanted some relief, it stopped hurting the next day!
>
> >next two days and went to the dentist, and the abcess was almost
> >gone. So as you can see, if an infection is present, I would suggest
> >taking a large amount of CS until under control, then I don't take
> >any unless I feel I am getting another infection. Then I just take a
> >few ounces at a time.
>
> Now without a calculator...mind you.....
>
> OK....we have 32 ounces of 200ppm CS, that is one quart of 40 X 5 ppm
> solution ..or 40 quarts of 5ppm solution is the equivalent. That is 10
> gallons of 5ppm CS. LOL
>
> And in a single day?
>
> > I would suggest you try taking from 2 to 8 ounces per day as a
> >preventative amount of CS. More if an infection is present.
>
> 2-8 ounces per day OF WHAT CONCENTRATION doctor?? Two hundred parts per
> million? That is equivalent to ten quarts of 5ppm solution. That is really
> an extreme dose, even for something with such low toxicity as colloidal
> silver (which is virtually nil). It is a potent antibiotic and that much is
> capable of knocking out a lot of friendly bacteria along with the
> "invaders". That is a tremendous amount of die off.
>
If a person felt that was extreme, they could start slow, but I don't
think it would hurt anyone. My whole family uses the 200 ppm when we
need it, even my 3 year old twins, and we have had no problems. I
have given the twins 4 or 5 swallows of the 200 ppm during the day
when they had a fever.
> Now here is an interesting thought, just compare this method with the
> method of using a 5cc preparation of 5ppm solution, injected intravenously
> over a 5 minute period. Seems like it would not be such an extreme
> orientation afterall. NO?
>
>
> If the additional silver acts as an anti-toxin, then are we looking at an
> elimination of the toxins excreted by the dying organisms (this is a well
> known effect spoken of frequently on the Rife list , as I recall- I am
> still on it by the way). There is still the matter of processing all those
> dead organisms, this can be a real load on the kidneys. Or am I being
> unecessarily cautious?
>
> I sure would like to see some productive discussion on this one! Pros and
> Cons!
>
>
> > This is just my opinion.
> > God Bless you and all on the list!
> > James L. Einert, R.H.C.
> >
>
> James, I have to differ with you, for the sake of safety, and until proven
> otherwise. If a man has a serious infection in his body, and his kidneys
> and or liver are not able to handle the die off effect , this could throw
> him into a herx reaction. To my understanding this could actually cause
> kidney failure and serious complications in some people! This concept and
> reality has been discussed throughly on the Rife list over the last several
> years. Gary Hawkins, our moderator is also closely associated with the Rife
> list , maybe we should ask him to be the referee? :)
>
> It has been my understanding that a gradual approach is the best method in
> dealing with an infection. Increasing the dosage over several days. Are you
> saying that taking a concentrated dose like you have is safe for everyone
> that may be reading this post? Or would you like to qualify this further?
>
> You also mentioned NOTHING about increasing the consumption of water while
> taking this enormous amount of antibiotic silver!
> This really concerns me, this would be a real setup for the kidneys to be
> maxed-out, and to not have additional help from the increased supply of
> water to aid in this stress.
>
Yes, I did fail to mention water. An oversite on my part. The formula
for drinking water is as follows. Drink 4 ounces of distilled water
every half hour until you have drink half your weight in ounces per
day. Not to exceed 80 ounces of water per day.
Take your weight, divide it in half and change that to ounces. This
is how much water you should have per day, unless that is over 80
ounces, then you just use 80 ounces!!!
> Not a good idea for everyone, certainly! For anyone, very likely! I am open
> to debate and always willing to listen to reason.
>
> Is this an unfounded concern? I ask sincerely.
>
> Men like Bob Beck, and many others , recommend a more dilute solution in
> the range of 5-10 ppm, and a more gradual method of developing the maximum
> dosage. These concentrations have been what I have generally adhered to,
> except in personal experimentation. The lesser concentrations have always
> worked for us. Do you not use these? Would you please elaborate your reason
> for not doing so? Testimonies would be great too!
>
> It is great having you aboard! How long did you say you have been into
> colloidal silver?
>
I have been making colloidal silver for about a year now, and
continue to research it and experiment with it. I will be the first
to admit I don't know it all about CS, and I may (1) be taking too
much, (2) not really be making 200 ppm (3) be healthy enough not to
be overly effected by this much silver. At any rate, I noticed no
kill off or detox from this much silver. And by the way, my health is
no where near where it should be, and where I know I can get it!
My advise is to ease into taking CS, and if you get a herx. reaction
or a detox, back off and recover and then ease into it a bit slower.
Also, drink lots of water and do enemas, fast or saunas to get the
toxins to move out of the system. It is also wise to take in good
bacteria, although I didn't when I drink the large amount I referred
to above.
God Bless! May we all learn as much as we can about colloidal
silver!!!
Jim Einert
> Well, I don't want to overload you, sorry! Let's save some for next time.
>
> God Bless, and thanks!
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> Scott
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> John 3:16
> "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
> whosoever believeth on Him should not perish , but have everlasting life."
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