Don, I am aware of that - but just from a fun, experimental, point of view I would like to play around with some testing on my own. I guess it is the "mad scientist" part of me. . . .
:-) Tony -----Original Message----- From: DON BURSCH [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 6:50 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS Testing Tony: My understanding is that the petri dish stuff has already been done with positive findings in a couple of university labs. What is lacking is evidence of what it does once it is in our bodies or coated on mucus membranes. Anthony W. Nettis wrote: > I have used both high voltage AC and low voltage DC colloidal silver - with > positive results (and no graying!). > > More for fun than for anything else I would like to run some tests > cultivating simple bacteria in a control dish and dishes containing > different stengths (PPM) of CS. Does anyone have any idea of where to buy > a "kit" that would include petri dishes, growing medium, and instructions > for doing this type of simple experiment? > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: GOOD4u [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 7:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>Url problems > > Well, Thank-you very much Ivan for all that information. > The only time that My colloid turns yellow is if I make it VERY strong. I > just leave it for over 2 hours to get it to be yellow. If I only leave it > for 1/2 hour, it stays clear and acquires no bitter taste ate that level. > > Yes, I encourage anyone that wants to make a very small particle size, to > try the neon ballast and let me know what your opinion is. > > I am also considering mixing Low voltage DC colloid with the product of my > high voltage method to make sure that I get a wide variety of particle > sizes. I believe this may produce a substance that is effective against a > wider spectrum of organisms?? > -----Original Message----- > From: Ivan Anderson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 4:31 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Url problems > > >Interesting post John. > > > >I have been wondering about HVAC processes. Yours sounds like a beauty. > >I'm going to make one. > >I want to compare the CS made from AC vs DC both LV and HV, and to this end > >have been reading at the university science library. Perhaps I can answer > >some of your queries in part, but I must say that this area in science > seems > >quite vague and most study of metalic sols took place before 1950 and can > be > >contradictory, at least to my limited capacities. > >It should be recognised that AC and DC voltages produce different forms of > >silver, AC ; elemental metal particles with no charge, DC ; ionic metal > >particles generally Ag+ but may also be Ag++ or even Ag+++ and probably > some > >elemental silver as well. The biological activities differ between the two > >products. > >First, an oscillating electric arc at low current will produce small > >particles, of which 19 - 52% will be silver oxide, I suspect this will be > >your milky cloud. According to one of my notes, a certain amount of silver > >oxide will aid colloidal stability. Interestingly Svedberg stated that, > >silver and perhaps also mercury may produce metal sols by boiling or > >irradiation by uv light under water. The irradiation leads to the > production > >of hydrogen peroxide in the water which oxidises the metal into solution, > >silver oxide then separates as the concentration increases, having low > >solubility in the colloid form, which then, in turn, is reduced to metal by > >the same uv radiation. (perhaps Ionic silver colloid could be stableised by > >the addition of a small amount of hydrogen peroxide, boy what combination!) > >Silver sols were obtained early this century, first by DC arc (30 -110 V > >5 -10 A) then by HFAC 10,000 - 10,000,000 Hz arc with little of the > >decomposition of the dispersion medium that plagued DC arc. > >I have no idea of the bioactivity of silver oxide. > >As to the particle size and colour of CS, Otswald formulated the rule, that > >the variation in colour of metal sols is due to a shifting of the > absorption > >maximum (of visible light) towards the regions of longer wavelength with > >decreasing degree of dispersion and Mie found that the colour displayed may > >be used to characterise the particle size. Although these rules as well as > >those of Rayleigh depend on particle shape it seems they may be applied > >generally to colloidal silver. > >Thus: as the wavelength of absobed light increases from 400nm to 730nm > >violet - inidgo blue - blue - blue green - green - yellow green - yellow - > >orange - red - purple light is absorbed, leaving the corresponding > >transmitted light : yellow green - yellow - orange - red - purple - > violet - > >indigo blue - blue - blue green - green, to be observed. > >Clear suspensions absorb near uv and uv light and therefore transmit all > >visible light, more or less, and are of a correspondingly smaller size. > > > >I have not experienced yellowing myself, but if that means a shift from a > >lighter to a > >deeper shade then i suspect an aggregation of particles, as is flocculation > >and dropping out. This most likely will proceed until an equilibrian has > >been reached, and then should be relatively stable. There is more that I > >would like to discuss on this topic and some questions I would ask of those > >more familiar with these matters, but for now, my regards. > >Ivan > > > >> > >>A High voltage AC maker can be made using a used Neon sign transformer. > >>Let me give you an idea of the way that I generate CS. For years I used > >the > >>9v battery method. I have now found that a used neon sign ballast (9000v) > >or > >>(12,000v) that you should be able to pick up from a sign shop for about > 20 > >>dollars, and a couple of pure silver wires, and a couple of alligator > clips > >>is really all you need to make high quality, high voltage AC Silver > >Colloid. > >>It can all be done for under $40.00. If you insist on a new ballast, it > can > >>cost you over $100.00. > >>Just submerge one silver wire in the water, and suspend the tip of the > >other > >>electrode about 1/8 inch above the surface of distilled water. When you > >>turn on the ballast,you will get a momentary blue arc, and then a "cone" > of > >>water will be drawn up the tip of the electrode about 3/8-1/2 inch. Leave > >>this for about an 1/2 hour in 1/2 gallon of distilled water. If it > >>starts to arc before the 1/2 hour, and you let it arc for a while, then > the > >>colloid starts to get a cloudy, milky appearance. Even though this "milky" > >>product still appears to be stable, (no dropout,or yellowing) I am not > sure > >>of what particle size is being made during the arcing process, so I do not > >>let it arc, Maybe someone else on this list will know what size that type > >>of particle is. I don't. I also don't know the concentration that it > makes, > >>nor how to test at home for concentration. I do think it is somewhere in > >>the neighborhood of about 5-10ppm. I do know that by not letting it > >>arc, I am making a perfectly acceptable product to me, which seems to be > >>vastly superior to the old 9v battery process. It also seems to utilize > the > >>silver electrode much more efficiently. It is obviously much more stable > >and > >>exhibits a strong Tyndal effect, and does not seem to "drop out" or get > >more > >>and more yellow upon sitting. ( I think yellowing and dropout are a sign > of > >>larger particles) > >>If you are interested in making your own CS, you may find that this simple > >>arrangement can make a yellowish product that compares much more favorably > >>to the product produced by the high quality 10,000v AC machines you may > >have > >>heard about on the internet selling for over $700, than does the product > >>produced by the 30volt > >>DC (9v battery process) > >> > >>John > > > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > >[email protected] -or- [email protected] > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > >To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. 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