Where would you get a 25,000 volt stun gun and how does it work on the poison?
Bonnie ---------- > From: Shaun Clayton <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: Emergency help needed with diagnosis!! > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 1:21 AM > > Hello, > > There are two things that I know of that help with brown recluse: > > 1. 25,000 volt stun gun at site of bite as soon as possible. > 2. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy. > > I know a man whose son (an adult) was bitten by a brown recluse spider. He > almost lost his life. He received a total of 60 (I think) HBOT treatments > from a Dr. Hughes of San Bernadino, CA. Now everyone in there family has a > low-voltage stun gun at the ready. > > God Bless, > Shaun > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert L. Wells [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 3:54 PM > > To: silver silver > > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Emergency help needed with diagnosis!! > > > > > > Valerie has been writing an urgent plea for help on the Lyme > > newsgroup since yesterday. She has a daughter who is very > > ill from an apparent insect bite. I am going to post pieces > > of her various posts below. If you have any ideas, please > > contact her directly at the addresses she gives: > > > > You can email me through this address of [email protected] > > until the 13th - > > then you'll have to email me through the [email protected] > > email address. > > > > Hello, > > > > I'm writing to see if anyone here can give me some > > help/information. The > > story... so far... > > > > May 3 - daughter's arm - bug bite looking mark. > > May 4 - daughter's arm - bug bite turns to "ringworm" look. > > May 5 - daughter's arm - ringwork look fills in, becomes > > VERY RED, hard and > > begins to sweel, looks "bubbled". > > May 6 - daughter's arm - the "bite area" now has doubled in > > size, the area > > around it looks "whelped" like an allergic reaction, her arm > > looks like a > > huge knot. We take her to the emergency room - shortness of > > breath (already > > an asthma established patient), stomachache and of course, > > her arm hurts. > > > > The ER doc thinks its a Spider Bite - and puts her on Keflex > > antibiotic, and > > 60 mg of prednisone in the ER. > > > > May 7 - afternoon - my daughter is worse, hard to walk > > around without > > shortness of breath, headache and bad stomachache. Slight > > rash around the > > "bite area" - she looks like she hasn't slept, but thats > > about all she's > > been doing. > > > > Doctor says its just an acute allergic reaction to some sort > > of bite, though > > he doesn't know what bit her. Says to discontinue all > > Medication, except for > > Benadryl, but puts her on a 5-day dosage of Prednisone, for > > her asthma. > > > > I discontinue the med's, and within 12 hours, she's worse > > and so is the bite > > area. I put her back on them, over the weekend. Saturday she > > sleeps most of > > the day away, headache and stomachache, arm hurts and > > shoulder hurts. We > > keep icing it, antibiotics, etc etc. Sunday she seems > > better, until > > nightfall..... > > > > May 11 - Back to yet another doctor (#3 to be exact) - this > > one is concerned > > about LYME Disease! Scrapes her arm for a sample, says its > > definitely not > > ringworm. We begin blood-testing for Lyme Disease, and she > > has to have > > another blood test in two weeks to determine???? Tomorrow > > morning, she has > > an appointment with her Pediatricain (Doc #2 - who seems to > > have thought > > this was nothing). > > > > Daughter's head hurts so bad, she says it hurts worse when > > she lays down. > > Her neck hurts her, her should and arm hurt and down to her > > wrist now. The > > bite area is still improving - but she looks worse and feels > > worse. We're > > still on Keflex, neosporin ointment, one more Prednisone > > pill, and of course > > Benadryl. Tylenol no longer makes her headache feel any > > better at all, so > > we've switched to 200 mg Ibuprofen per Doc #3's request. > > > > Anyone - comments, help, suggestions, pictures of the > > bite/rash (I've only > > found one on the net so far, but I've just started my > > search!). I have > > little time to spend on my own research at this moment, as > > she wants and > > needs my time and attention. I'd appreciate anyone who can > > help me, > > please.... she's the only little girl I've got - and even > > so - > > unreplaceable at any cost. I feel like these Docs are a > > bunch of quacks, > > except for possible the one we saw today - so why did she > > refer me back to > > quack #2??!?! > > > > Signing Off, With hopes that my prayers will be answered - > > by > > answers/help/comments from anyone out there who reads > > this... my sincerest > > of thanks in advance.... > > > > Valerie, Mother of Amanda-age 11 > > > > Response 1: > > PREDNISONE !!!! a Cortiosteriod would worsen symptoms of > > Lyme, if thats what she has. What would be the downside to > > putting her on antibiotics known to be effective against > > Lyme if the Dr. suspects Lyme. Keflex is not one of them > > IMHO. Sooner is better than later. I hope shes better > > soon. > > > > Valerie's Response to Response 1 > > >PREDNISONE !!!! a Cortiosteriod Would worsen symptomsof > > Lyme, if thats what she has. > > > > This is what I've been reading and finding out - thank > > heavens she took the > > last one yesterday!! > > > > >What would be the downside to putting her on > > >antibiotics known to be effective against Lyme if the Dr. > > suspects Lyme. > > >Keflex is not one of them IMHO Sooner is better than later > > > > The Doc who put her on Keflex, was the 1st Doc, in the > > Emergency Room - she > > did it because she diagnosed it as a Spider Bite, possibly > > the Brown Recluse > > aka Fiddle Back (poisonous). But, she wasn't certain. The > > Keflex she said, > > was the antibiotic of choice by most Plastic Surgeons, its a > > "skin" > > antibiotic and would help to keep the wound from spreading, > > and help aid it > > in healing properly regardless of which spider bit her. The > > Prednisone was > > for her asthma which flared up while in the ER and also was > > told it was for > > the swelling of the bite site. > > > > Then, 24 hours later, when she was worse and constantly > > short of breath - > > her Pediatrician diagnosed a 5-day course of Prednisone to > > "help her out". > > > > She's off both of those right now, and as of 4 pm tomorrow, > > we will have a > > Biopsy of the bite site/wound done - my Daughter having been > > off all Med's > > for 48 hours. I just hope she can get through the pain.... > > she lays here on > > the couch in pain right now, next to me as I type this very > > message. > > > > > > > > Response 2 > > Where do you live??? these doctors should all be shot. > > especially the guy who > > doled out the steroids!! the headaches are a classic sign of > > pediatric Lyme.. > > it is essential that she remain on antibiotics if they > > indeed seem to cause > > improvement.... the testing will not be accurate as it takes > > the body sometimes > > more than a month to develop an antibody response.... and > > she has been given > > steroids and antibiotics which can skew the results... your > > doctor whichever > > thinks it is lyme needs to consult with a Lyme literate > > doctor... this is not > > any doctor who thinks that 21 days of antibiotics is > > enought... stay in touch > > and let us know what is going on! > > > > Valerie's Reply to Response 2 > > I live in Arlington, Texas - closer to Dallas than Ft Worth > > - at least until mid-June. > > (and I agree whole-heartedly with you - the two of the three > > Docs should be > > shot - why won't they listen?!?!?! They're supposed to > > help!!!!!!) > > > > >doled out the steroids!! the headaches are a classic sign > > of pediatric Lyme.. > > > > This is scary, but I keep hearing it.... and I'm paying > > attention - thank you. > > > > >it is essential that she remain on antibiotics if they > > indeed seem to cause > > >improvement.... the testing will not be accurate as it > > takes the body sometimes > > >more than a month to develop an antibody response.... and > > she has been given > > >steroids and antibiotics which can skew the results... your > > doctor whichever > > > > She's been taken off of them - for 48 hours (since > > yesterday) to help get a > > "cleaner" Biopsy of the bite site/wound area. She's > > deteriorating even > > now.... she's just gotta hold on until 4 pm tomorrow and > > then we can get > > back on the RIGHT antibiotic. The Dermatologist said, that > > even Ibuprofen > > could sway the results - and she's only to have Tylenol, but > > it doesn't seem > > to touch it at all - but at least she's a little less > > fidgety. > > > > >thinks it is lyme needs to consult with a Lyme literate > > doctor... this is not > > >any doctor who thinks that 21 days of antibiotics is > > enought... stay in touch > > >and let us know what is going on! > > > > I will do that - I've got a slowly growing list here on my > > Desk, that I will > > take with me tomorrow. One is in Ft Worth, another in Dallas > > and one in > > Irving - hopefully between those three Docs, we will find > > one! :) > > > > Sincere Thanks, Valerie - Mother of Amanda-age 11, hopefully > > not sick with Lyme..... > > > > Response 3 > > Valerie, > > If you tell us where you are located, maybe someone here can > > give you a name of > > a local lyme-literate doctor. > > > > I agree that steroids of all kinds are dangerous with lyme, > > however with the > > athsma, this complicates things. I hadn't had athsma for > > almost 20 years, and > > it re-emerged with the lyme - I believe, because my immune > > system was so messed > > up. (I also had worse allergies of all kinds.) Once I got on > > antibiotics, my > > athsma and most allergy symptoms went away. > > > > Valerie's Response to Response 3 > > >Valerie, > > >If you tell us where you are located, maybe someone here > > can give you a > > >name of a local lyme-literate doctor. > > > > I'm in Arlington, Texas - closer to Dallas than Ft Worth - > > until mid-June - > > then I will be closer to Ft Worth, as we're moving to > > Burleson, Texas. > > > > (I know - what a time to have to also move - this really > > sucks - pardon my > > sarcasm please....) > > > > >I agree that steroids of all kinds are dangerous with lyme, > > however with the > > >athsma, this complicates things. I hadn't had athsma for > > almost 20 years, and > > >it re-emerged with the lyme - I believe, because my immune > > system was so messed > > >up. (I also had worse allergies of all kinds.) Once I got > > on antibiotics, my > > >athsma and most allergy symptoms went away. > > > > This is good news to hear - that with the anitibiotics you > > got better, > > including the asthma. I've nearly lost the life of my little > > girl, numerous > > times from the asthma - so many ambulances, so many hospital > > stays.... and > > endless nights and days..... I just hope and pray this > > doesn't make her > > asthma worse - but it seems to have flared it - like you > > said yours > > did....... > > > > Hopefully - the antibiotics will work in her favor, as they > > did yours.... > > > > Thanks for writing - I very much appreciate it. > > > > Sincerely, Valerie - Mother of Amanda-age 11, hopefully not > > sick with Lyme...... > > > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] -or- [email protected] > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. 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