Hello, There are two things that I know of that help with brown recluse:
1. 25,000 volt stun gun at site of bite as soon as possible. 2. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy. I know a man whose son (an adult) was bitten by a brown recluse spider. He almost lost his life. He received a total of 60 (I think) HBOT treatments from a Dr. Hughes of San Bernadino, CA. Now everyone in there family has a low-voltage stun gun at the ready. God Bless, Shaun > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert L. Wells [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 3:54 PM > To: silver silver > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Emergency help needed with diagnosis!! > > > Valerie has been writing an urgent plea for help on the Lyme > newsgroup since yesterday. She has a daughter who is very > ill from an apparent insect bite. I am going to post pieces > of her various posts below. If you have any ideas, please > contact her directly at the addresses she gives: > > You can email me through this address of [email protected] > until the 13th - > then you'll have to email me through the [email protected] > email address. > > Hello, > > I'm writing to see if anyone here can give me some > help/information. The > story... so far... > > May 3 - daughter's arm - bug bite looking mark. > May 4 - daughter's arm - bug bite turns to "ringworm" look. > May 5 - daughter's arm - ringwork look fills in, becomes > VERY RED, hard and > begins to sweel, looks "bubbled". > May 6 - daughter's arm - the "bite area" now has doubled in > size, the area > around it looks "whelped" like an allergic reaction, her arm > looks like a > huge knot. We take her to the emergency room - shortness of > breath (already > an asthma established patient), stomachache and of course, > her arm hurts. > > The ER doc thinks its a Spider Bite - and puts her on Keflex > antibiotic, and > 60 mg of prednisone in the ER. > > May 7 - afternoon - my daughter is worse, hard to walk > around without > shortness of breath, headache and bad stomachache. Slight > rash around the > "bite area" - she looks like she hasn't slept, but thats > about all she's > been doing. > > Doctor says its just an acute allergic reaction to some sort > of bite, though > he doesn't know what bit her. Says to discontinue all > Medication, except for > Benadryl, but puts her on a 5-day dosage of Prednisone, for > her asthma. > > I discontinue the med's, and within 12 hours, she's worse > and so is the bite > area. I put her back on them, over the weekend. Saturday she > sleeps most of > the day away, headache and stomachache, arm hurts and > shoulder hurts. We > keep icing it, antibiotics, etc etc. Sunday she seems > better, until > nightfall..... > > May 11 - Back to yet another doctor (#3 to be exact) - this > one is concerned > about LYME Disease! Scrapes her arm for a sample, says its > definitely not > ringworm. We begin blood-testing for Lyme Disease, and she > has to have > another blood test in two weeks to determine???? Tomorrow > morning, she has > an appointment with her Pediatricain (Doc #2 - who seems to > have thought > this was nothing). > > Daughter's head hurts so bad, she says it hurts worse when > she lays down. > Her neck hurts her, her should and arm hurt and down to her > wrist now. The > bite area is still improving - but she looks worse and feels > worse. We're > still on Keflex, neosporin ointment, one more Prednisone > pill, and of course > Benadryl. Tylenol no longer makes her headache feel any > better at all, so > we've switched to 200 mg Ibuprofen per Doc #3's request. > > Anyone - comments, help, suggestions, pictures of the > bite/rash (I've only > found one on the net so far, but I've just started my > search!). I have > little time to spend on my own research at this moment, as > she wants and > needs my time and attention. I'd appreciate anyone who can > help me, > please.... she's the only little girl I've got - and even > so - > unreplaceable at any cost. I feel like these Docs are a > bunch of quacks, > except for possible the one we saw today - so why did she > refer me back to > quack #2??!?! > > Signing Off, With hopes that my prayers will be answered - > by > answers/help/comments from anyone out there who reads > this... my sincerest > of thanks in advance.... > > Valerie, Mother of Amanda-age 11 > > Response 1: > PREDNISONE !!!! a Cortiosteriod would worsen symptoms of > Lyme, if thats what she has. What would be the downside to > putting her on antibiotics known to be effective against > Lyme if the Dr. suspects Lyme. Keflex is not one of them > IMHO. Sooner is better than later. I hope shes better > soon. > > Valerie's Response to Response 1 > >PREDNISONE !!!! a Cortiosteriod Would worsen symptomsof > Lyme, if thats what she has. > > This is what I've been reading and finding out - thank > heavens she took the > last one yesterday!! > > >What would be the downside to putting her on > >antibiotics known to be effective against Lyme if the Dr. > suspects Lyme. > >Keflex is not one of them IMHO Sooner is better than later > > The Doc who put her on Keflex, was the 1st Doc, in the > Emergency Room - she > did it because she diagnosed it as a Spider Bite, possibly > the Brown Recluse > aka Fiddle Back (poisonous). But, she wasn't certain. The > Keflex she said, > was the antibiotic of choice by most Plastic Surgeons, its a > "skin" > antibiotic and would help to keep the wound from spreading, > and help aid it > in healing properly regardless of which spider bit her. The > Prednisone was > for her asthma which flared up while in the ER and also was > told it was for > the swelling of the bite site. > > Then, 24 hours later, when she was worse and constantly > short of breath - > her Pediatrician diagnosed a 5-day course of Prednisone to > "help her out". > > She's off both of those right now, and as of 4 pm tomorrow, > we will have a > Biopsy of the bite site/wound done - my Daughter having been > off all Med's > for 48 hours. I just hope she can get through the pain.... > she lays here on > the couch in pain right now, next to me as I type this very > message. > > > > Response 2 > Where do you live??? these doctors should all be shot. > especially the guy who > doled out the steroids!! the headaches are a classic sign of > pediatric Lyme.. > it is essential that she remain on antibiotics if they > indeed seem to cause > improvement.... the testing will not be accurate as it takes > the body sometimes > more than a month to develop an antibody response.... and > she has been given > steroids and antibiotics which can skew the results... your > doctor whichever > thinks it is lyme needs to consult with a Lyme literate > doctor... this is not > any doctor who thinks that 21 days of antibiotics is > enought... stay in touch > and let us know what is going on! > > Valerie's Reply to Response 2 > I live in Arlington, Texas - closer to Dallas than Ft Worth > - at least until mid-June. > (and I agree whole-heartedly with you - the two of the three > Docs should be > shot - why won't they listen?!?!?! They're supposed to > help!!!!!!) > > >doled out the steroids!! the headaches are a classic sign > of pediatric Lyme.. > > This is scary, but I keep hearing it.... and I'm paying > attention - thank you. > > >it is essential that she remain on antibiotics if they > indeed seem to cause > >improvement.... the testing will not be accurate as it > takes the body sometimes > >more than a month to develop an antibody response.... and > she has been given > >steroids and antibiotics which can skew the results... your > doctor whichever > > She's been taken off of them - for 48 hours (since > yesterday) to help get a > "cleaner" Biopsy of the bite site/wound area. She's > deteriorating even > now.... she's just gotta hold on until 4 pm tomorrow and > then we can get > back on the RIGHT antibiotic. The Dermatologist said, that > even Ibuprofen > could sway the results - and she's only to have Tylenol, but > it doesn't seem > to touch it at all - but at least she's a little less > fidgety. > > >thinks it is lyme needs to consult with a Lyme literate > doctor... this is not > >any doctor who thinks that 21 days of antibiotics is > enought... stay in touch > >and let us know what is going on! > > I will do that - I've got a slowly growing list here on my > Desk, that I will > take with me tomorrow. One is in Ft Worth, another in Dallas > and one in > Irving - hopefully between those three Docs, we will find > one! :) > > Sincere Thanks, Valerie - Mother of Amanda-age 11, hopefully > not sick with Lyme..... > > Response 3 > Valerie, > If you tell us where you are located, maybe someone here can > give you a name of > a local lyme-literate doctor. > > I agree that steroids of all kinds are dangerous with lyme, > however with the > athsma, this complicates things. I hadn't had athsma for > almost 20 years, and > it re-emerged with the lyme - I believe, because my immune > system was so messed > up. (I also had worse allergies of all kinds.) Once I got on > antibiotics, my > athsma and most allergy symptoms went away. > > Valerie's Response to Response 3 > >Valerie, > >If you tell us where you are located, maybe someone here > can give you a > >name of a local lyme-literate doctor. > > I'm in Arlington, Texas - closer to Dallas than Ft Worth - > until mid-June - > then I will be closer to Ft Worth, as we're moving to > Burleson, Texas. > > (I know - what a time to have to also move - this really > sucks - pardon my > sarcasm please....) > > >I agree that steroids of all kinds are dangerous with lyme, > however with the > >athsma, this complicates things. I hadn't had athsma for > almost 20 years, and > >it re-emerged with the lyme - I believe, because my immune > system was so messed > >up. (I also had worse allergies of all kinds.) Once I got > on antibiotics, my > >athsma and most allergy symptoms went away. > > This is good news to hear - that with the anitibiotics you > got better, > including the asthma. I've nearly lost the life of my little > girl, numerous > times from the asthma - so many ambulances, so many hospital > stays.... and > endless nights and days..... I just hope and pray this > doesn't make her > asthma worse - but it seems to have flared it - like you > said yours > did....... > > Hopefully - the antibiotics will work in her favor, as they > did yours.... > > Thanks for writing - I very much appreciate it. > > Sincerely, Valerie - Mother of Amanda-age 11, hopefully not > sick with Lyme...... > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. 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