Ode, You must have a lot of free time on your hands. You didn't read Byron't articles did you? You have a tendancy to generalize. How things are "supposed" to operate and how they do is 2 different things. The drug companies love paying the FDA fees. They wouldn't have it any other way. Wasn't it the drug companies themselves that asked for it? Said it would help them speed drugs to the market. You kind of sound like you think that supplements should be regulated? Is that your position? Paula
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ode Coyote" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: Re: CS> Cold and hard > If you don't know how it works, saying it's not working right is blowing smoke. > > The drug companies don't "control" the FDA, they manipulate it to an > advantage when they believe they can get away with it. > The FDA does have enough of a budget to survive on it's own. > It just can't do the work it has come to have without the 'Pharma" doing > the testing of it's own products and telling the FDA what it found. > That leaves quite a bit of leeway to push something through. > > They don't "pay" the FDA. > > They are indeed in bed with each other like: > If your wife says she's not sleeping around and you can't prove she is, who > do you believe?.....until she has that red headed baby. > > Concerning the other end of the story, the FDA goes out of it's way to > "sound" like Daddy but phrases things in a very ambiguous manner leaving > leeway there too. > ie: " Not proven safe and effective" does NOT mean "Proven unsafe and > ineffective." > The FDA doesn't prohibit the sale of unproven substances, it says that you > can't SAY they are proven unless they have been proven to a set of > standards that match the stated intent of the substance. > Therefore, if it's being sold as a "drug", it has to be tested to the same > expensive standards as the drugs the Pharm makes and tests. > BUT, if it's NOT being sold as a drug and there is no harm resulting from > the sales, there are no standards that have to be met other than production > facility cleanliness that any restaurant must comply to. > > > The FDAs function in those cases is damage control. > Thus, people still sell CS even though it hasn't been tested to drug > standards and so long as not too many people have a problem and drug claims > aren't made, they look the other way. > If people start having problems with something, they un-shelve it until the > problem is figured out. > The Tryptophan thing is an example. > The people buying and packaging it weren't required to keep track of > batches and mixes, so when a bad run showed up and people started > dying...there was no way to tell where it went. > There are no standards in supplements. > So the FDA un-shelved ALL of it until all new and safe Tryptophan replaced it. > Had re-sellers had better control of their records, that need not have > happened, proving that the FDA ISN'T meddling to any great degree in the > supplements industry. > > BUT, incidents of default like that leads the FDA to believe that maybe it > should. > > The WTO may have approved the CODEX and there are some really wild > hucksters in the world that makes such a move a reasonable one. > The WTO has no jurisdiction inside a country. It can only keep an eye on > "trading" BETWEEN countries. > Had there been CODEX during the Tryptophan incident, the Japanese giant > that produced tons of deadly turkey essence may have been stopped before it > hit the shelves and Tryptophan would never have been taken off the market > in the USA. > CODEX isn't about prohibition, it's about establishing *standards* where > there ARE none but damage control, too late. > Go control them, but not me that's doing the same thing? > > Blind haters and blamers think that just because the Pharm can sneak a > product through now and then, that the other side can do no harm and needs > zero looking after. > That's NOT true. > To be reasonable and balanced, they are really saying that the Pharm need > not comply to any standards either and the FDA, as crazy as being "in bed" > is, such as THAT is....should be completely abolished. > Well, that would bring the price of *drugs* down quite a bit..but ...they'd > be even more dangerous than they are as there are, at least, some controls > and standards being applied beyond law suites too late. > > Ideally, "the people" should be paying for the testing of the drugs they > use and in a sideways manner, they are. > But it's very expensive and making it public access would result in every > Tom, Dick and Harry demanding approval testing for every nut case idea that > occurs to them. > > Look at it that way and the supplement industry has a clear advantage in > the market and almost no culpability. It can do no wrong in the absence of > an established right and it's profit margin may be even larger than the > Pharmas because it doesn't have to pay for any testing at all. > It's not a wonder that "big drugs" wants into that "thieves market". > > It's a market that CAN'T be controlled to any great degree because anyone > can grow an herb and stopping packagers won't stop the practice. > Go too far with it and it'll just go underground onto the black market > where there are ZERO standards with GANGS of profiteers supplying > inevitable demand. > > Where there is a demand, there SHALT BE a supply. > Laws don't stop it. > If that supply is made illegal, there are no standards possible at > all...and... you can forget about suing anyone too. > > Call a spade, a shovel ....and all is politically correct. > The cold hard truth: > If people were willing to die for their beliefs and bear the cost thereof, > no external standards or controls would be necessary. > But that would take brains and self education, something that haters and > blamers wish to avoid, as making themselves dead, would then be all THEIR > fault. > That's a "cross purpose" and just won't do. > A blamer HAS TO hand a problem off so they can say "It isn't being done > right" and not take the responsibility of doing it right themselves that > includes the consequences of making a mistake with no one to blame. > What a hater really hates, is his own fear, helplessness and ignorance. > He simply doesn't believe in himself and doesn't believe he should have to. > > HERE, YOU believe in me....no, not like that. > > That's not to say that some things don't need improvement or an overhaul. > But to sit a yell about how evil someone else is with no understanding of > their part in that evil will change nothing for the better. > Such as that simply calls for 'others' to ignore the noise or, even worse, > calls upon "them" to tighten controls until screamers can't move at all. > "There! Happy now? " We've eliminated "No, not like that" with utter > inability, as you have demanded. > Self defeating. > > Start thinking about how things should be done vs how they aren't being > done right. > > Who did what wrong is completely irrelevant to how to do it right. > > Buck the system..but then...you are "it" > Start making better sense...apply it ...and you'll BECOME "them". [Uh oh! ] > That's how them, became them, in the first place... YOU ...didn't do... > anything. > > "I'm not it, YOU be the me I believe I should be", does that job. > So...solve the REAL problem. > BE your better idea. > If it IS better, others will follow and no worse idea can stop it...but > blamers will blame you for not having the guts themselves and will hand off > their own lack of perfection with a demand that you have it FOR them. AS > IF, they had any idea what that might be. > > What it says is: "Your idea isn't as good as the one I don't have, so > YOU fix it the way I don't know it should be...or else." > Don't you DARE make a mistake that I can't help *but to*, even if I did > bother seeking answers out of the unknown to problems I've mis-identified. > Of course, that makes perfect sense. But only if nothing is what you > really want done. > > Cold and hard: Blame and hate does absofreekinlutely NOTHING but > justify..to yourself.. your helplessness to change anything. > If you have any personal power at all, you just handed it off right to > those who you say are mis-using it to justify even tighter controls over > you. Lotsa luck. > > Due to my neglect, this vehicle has no brakes. That's why it says > "Dodge" on the hood and that pick up truck says "Dodge AND Ram"....it's a > multipurpose vehicle made by Cry-a-Slur. > I had nothing to do with the collision, sue **them** because they weren't > perfect enough to prevent my neglect and admitted as much with the warning > signs. > > Now there are cars that tell you when you are about to hit > something. Where did THAT demand come from? > DAMN!! We're DOOMED!!! > > Say that I'm not peaceful and I'll cut your tongue off. > "I am not stupid! YOU are!" [hack hack ] > I'm not a bum, Where's my dollah! > They say I'm an idiot, so that's how I'm going to behave to prove them wrong. > > > ode > > > At 06:15 PM 1/24/2008 -0500, you wrote: > > >What ever the reason for starting the FDA we are at a point that it no > >longer matters. The drug companies now control the FDA. The FDA represents > >the Drug companies and their profits. The FDA only seems to act after there > >are deaths in the hundreds or thousands, unless it's a food supplement that > >is. Then it's big time trouble and they have to come in with their guns. > >Paula > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ode Coyote" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:41 AM > >Subject: Re: CS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ## Some people can look after themselves. > > > How many people will take a bad deal on a mortgage and blame the salesman? > > > Whatever leads one to believe that a low interest variable rate loan has > > > any way to go but, UP? > > > How did more and more, bigger and bigger cars get to be better gas prices? > > > > > > I can no longer start a car without getting in and depressing the brake > >and > > > clutch. Warning labels explaining common sense are so thick that I can > > > barely use the tool. > > > Wet floors aren't slick unless there's a sign on it. Ice isn't slippery. > > > Coffee isn't hot unless there's somebody to sue. > > > > > > ..and the sign says: We don't need to stay awake, the Gov't will mandate > > > that others do it for us. > > > > > > Not tainted, realistic. > > > It would be nice if you were correct, but face it. > > > Most people aren't as astute as you are. > > > 150 years ago we'd call them corpses in a Prairie blaming bears for being > > > bears. > > > ..and those corpses weren't particularly rare at that. > > > > > > Then.... lack of vision got you killed, now it gets you a check. > > > > > > Ode > > > > > > At 01:43 PM 1/22/2008 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > >Ode wrote: > > > > > > > >.....The FDA was formed to get a handle on Cocaine and Opium Patent > >Medicine > > > >salesmen. > > > > Their job was to ensure drug safety because the people were too dumb > >to > > > >not buy into that stuff and needed that protection.... > > > >------ > > > >Sorry Ode, but your take on human nature is a bit tainted. I mean, where > > > >did you get the idea that we all need 'looking after'? I can fend quite > > > >well for myself thank you very much and can well do without the > >Government > > > >or any other regulatory body telling me what is 'for my own good'. How > > > >insulting. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels like this. In fact, > > > >it is precisely the control freaks and manipulators that have brainwashed > > > >people into believing that they cannot make decisions for > > > >themselves. Please don't buy into that pretence, or repeat the > > > >misinformation. Thanks. > > > >Frankie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > >Sounds like? How many syllables? 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