Sure...get your globe out, take the longitudinal line north and south of Baghdad,  the next phase will be eastward to Alaska. Where else?  Those earthquakes really softened them up, so cut off the Iranian pipeline to China. Should be a piece of cake, don't get excited, think of the opportunities ...the power!!!   Wait a minute, isn't the world radioactive enough?   Dig..dig dig dig dig a fallout shelter that is. I'm going to bury an old school bus in concrete, how deep?

  Shep
 

The government is 3 steps ahead of us, not 3 steps behind. You have to realize who the government is, they don't get elected. What are they doing with all that oil up in Alaska, that we'll never see??? That's the 4th largest oil deposit in the world and it's just sitting there, why? The largest is in Suadi, second largest is Iraq. Want to take a guess at where the 3rd largest oil deposit is?? You know, the ones we are going to blast next-Iran. 

Kurt
---- Ode Coyote <[email protected]> wrote: 
  
At 09:56 PM 5/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:

    
Ode,

   Please... I mean get real my friend.  Nobody buys fluoridated water, 
it was mandated by criminal elements within our own government.  Lead 
paint was illegal BEFORE the recent recalls. Consumers had no way of 
knowing there was lead in the paint on their kids toys... the governments 
job it to PROTECT the consumer, and they have failed miserably on almost 
all fronts.
      
   ## The public has failed to fund the consumer protection agency so that 
it CAN do that job.
  Water consumption averages around 40 gallons per person, but 2 gallons is 
plenty [especially when you pack it up a hill from the spring on your back] 
and can be bought elsewhere.



    
 The EPA has become a criminal organization set up to protect polluters 
and allow industry to pollute our air, water, and food without government 
interference.  It isn't the consumer that isn't willing to pay the wages 
needed to make something the right way, it is the EMPLOYERS, the 
CORPORATIONS that are unwilling to pay the wages necessary.
      
## Who buys the cheapest product they can find and where do the costs get 
cut to make that price possible?
The "people" work at cross purposes to themselves.
Laws are all fine and dandy till the results and costs of enforcement come 
in...no business operates in a vacuum, nor can it.
  Gov't sneaks around the back door to resolve conflicting consumer 
demands, making a "show" for the voters who want and vote for the impossible.

    
  You have it all backwards Ode.   You say we aren't willing to buy cars 
that get 50mpg yet the Toyota Prius hybrid is one of the biggest sellers 
in America while Ford, GM, and Chrysler loose more market share due to 
their lack of quality economical "green" cars.  Give us a good car that 
gets 40 - 50mpg and I GUARANTEE you they will sell like hotcakes.
      
##  NOW they will.  With all that hindsight at work.
  But "Now" due to all the consumers clamoring for big and heavy safety to 
protect against collisions with big and heavy safe cars, a heavy Prious 
NEEDS an expensive hybrid setup to get WORSE mileage than the cars that 
DIDN'T sell back when they WERE made.

    
  People are STUCK with their SUV's, nobody wants them anymore and used 
car lots are overflowing with them.    I could go on, but the consumer is 
NOT "in control" when big business, big pharma, big oil and big 
government is DICTATING what is to be available.
      
##  The Gov't dictates to satisfy conflicting consumer demands. [which is 
the sort of nonsense that make dictates necessary ]
If consumers had bought what they needed for the *utterly predictable 
future* rather than for their egoic present "desire", no dictate would have 
been necessary to make the difficult and expensive possible when cheap and 
simple economy that already exceeded the dictates was already a proven 
fact...IN USE.
So now people are "stuck" with their short sighted decisions and once AGAIN 
a nearly new 1975 Cadillac Fleetwood will sell for $50...and once AGAIN, 
I'll not be able to sell that 60,000 mile Buick Electra 225 that was given 
to me.... for anything but scrap.
3 really big warnings and no one learned a damned thing.

On top of that, even an SUV can get over 200 miles per gallon, per 
person.....all it takes is some organization and planning,  but "people" 
just will not do it.

The Gov't is always 3 steps behind us, trying to make things work in SPITE 
of what we bought into and want.
So long as they can rob Peter to pay Paul to get elected to accomplish the 
impossible and retire before the bill gets passed back to them, they'll do 
just that.
"They" are people too.
"We" claim to love our grand kids, but expect someone else to BEHAVE like 
that's true.  No different than any politician we hired to be the *us* we 
deny we are.

I do not have it backwards.
Denial has warped reality perception to where the after effect and 
resultant stop gap emergency dictate, becomes the cause.
People believe they can live on credit cards too, then blame the banks when 
they go broke paying the interest they didn't have in their own 
futures.  [DUH! ]
Dumb as posts and voting for more of the same, done by a new bunch of 
representatives to kick later on.
Meanwhile, the one guy that has the guts to say the Gov't can't do it, 
[because it CAN'T and never could for very long without stepping on the 
same toes it's trying to sidestep and wasting enormous sums of money doing 
it ]  gets shot to Hell in the polls.

Good luck..that has "historically" always worked. [to do exactly "this" ]

If it has never worked, do it harder to someone else, using someone else to 
do it.
..and when you run out of someone elses, it's their fault.

Ode



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