Dear Mike:

I had my nano colloidal silver solution tested by Frank Key.  I watched the
testing process while discussing other things so my recollections may be
vague.  I am sure Frank would be available to give more details.

The process is a high frequency induction heater creates a plasma that
vaporizes the liquid sample.  Then a movable grating is used as a scanning
frequency selective meter.  This plots the amplitude vs. frequency of the
sample. This produces a peak amplitude at the silver frequency.  There will
be other peaks if the sample is not pure.  There are several automatic
calibrations that are part of the normal operation of the meter.  Distilled
water, a calibrated known concentration, then the solution under test.  This
is repeated three times and an average is taken as the final answer.

What this measures is the total silver concentration and does not
differentiate between ionic or particles. 

In order to determine the ion particle ratio, the sample is put in a super
centrifuge which precipitates all the particles leaving the ionic part.
This then measured with the spectrometer and the difference calculated.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>spectrophotometer readings

I assume Peter's talking about an instrument that measures 
absorption/transmission through the liquid, Ken! Atomic absorption 
spectrophotometry is another animal alltogether.

Peter, did you run a control sample of plain distilled water with which 
to compare? A quick visual scan of your data suggests a basically 
smooth, gradual rise in transmissivity with increasing wavelength. The 
data points are so sparse there's no chance to discern any fine 
structure.

I think there was some more informative work done using a scanning 
UV/visible/IR spectrophotometer, but I don't remember by whom.

With a continuously variable wavelength light source, one could expect 
to see an actual resonant peak (or trough) where the particle size 
distribution would interact with the wavelength of the light. A 
sufficiently small particle size would interact in the ultraviolet, I 
believe. I don't know what, if anything, you could see of the ionic 
component of your preparation.

I hope others remember more about this than I do and can dredge up some 
references and/or archived messages on the topic.

Be well,

Mike D.


>    Since a [AA} spectrophotometer essentially vaporizes a sample into a
> plasma, why would particle size be any part of that?
> 
> ode
> 
> 
> 
> At 04:03 PM 7/28/2008 +1000, you wrote:
> 
> >Dear csers,
> >
> >I recently had the opportunity to play with a spectrophotometer.Using 
> >the instruction book procedures gave the following readings:
> >
> >I took readings at wavelengths for 
> >blue(470nm),green(555nm),yellow(585nm),orange(610nm) and red(650nm).The
> > results indicated a figure for Absorption(A) and Transmission(T) %.
> >
> >Blue;A=0.143 T=71.8
> >
> >,Green;A=0.136 T=73.2
> >
> >  Yellow;A=0.118 T=75.9
> >
> >  Orange;A=0.115 T=76.8
> >
> >  Red;A=0.093 T=80.7
> >
> >My question for those familiar with this apparatus is;
> >
> >What particle size could be ascertained from these results?
> >
> >My cs production method uses 27v and halts at 8mA using spiral shaped
> >electrodes spaced 25mm apart.Results are a clear solution (no colour)
> >but a slight tyndall effect observable via high power(1w) leds
> >
> >Thank you for taking time to reply.
> >
> >pete
> >
> >
> >
> >
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