Wayne,

You're not that blue guy, are you?...

Dan 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 7:04 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: CS>Rule of Thumb, doe not get it, Who wrote the 
> rules anyway ?
> 
> Good Morning Dee,
> 
> At 03:56 AM 8/29/2008, you wrote:
> >  dee  PS sorry if I haven't understood your very detailed analysis, 
> > but I'm afraid I need a lay persons version - not being 
> very up on the 
> > science of it all.
> 
>    I read all the replies and statements relative to your 
> questions and possible problems.
> 
> As right and correct as they all were,  ................
> 
> I did fear and think, exactly what you said in the statement 
> above. ( using my crystal ball of course )
> 
> So, I guess I better tell you what I think, .......... before 
> the Hurricane blows me away and maybe destroys all my computers.
> 
> I will tell you what I think the problem is, before I tell 
> you a thing or two that might help.
> You and others may not like or may not believe what I have to say.
> 
> The world and the automatic CS maker are trying to dictate 
> how you make CS, and are leaving little thinking, reasoning, 
> changes, methods, imagination, experimentation,  UP TO YOU.
> 
> That is exactly why I do not have an automatic CS maker, 
> never wanted one, even if they were free.
> 
> Anyone that thinks a few chips, transistors, regulators, and 
> diodes, can out think my control systems, MY BRAIN and MY 
> Hands, will have a hard time proving that. Yes, I might use 
> an instrument or two.
> A meter and a stop watch, and my highly trained, micro 
> vision, my eyes.
> Yes, the eye is the most powerful measuring tool in the 
> world.  Carl Zeiss proved that long ago.
> And I have measured things within 1 to 3 thousands with my 
> eyes. ( that was a while back when I could see better )  < grin >
> 
> And I do not have to hear that well to make CS.  I have only made one 
> yellow batch, and that was intentionally, yes, intentionally.   Never 
> made a black batch, virtually no settlement, ever.
> 
> AS far as I know, and as far as I can tell, ever batch I have 
> ever made worked wonders, including the yellow batch.
> 
> Comparing all this with a stupid computer,........... if you 
> cannot do a task with a yellow pad and a pencil, it is 
> doubtful if you can do it very well with a computer.
> 
> Some people have tried to get me to do a custom program for 
> them, I could tell right away they did not know and 
> understand their application well enough to define it for me.
> Thus, ........ I had to tell a few little white lies and talk 
> my way out of the job.
> 
> Sorry I got distracted and forgot the purpose of this 
> message. I do that often.
> 
> Question 1.
> 
> Are you using any starter solution?
> 
> If I use one quart starter solution, ( a previous batch of CS 
> ) and tell you I made a gallon, I am wrong.
> I have only made 3 quarts.
> 
> Likewise, if you use 1/2 pint of starter solution, you quart 
> batch becomes 3 each, ........ half pints.
> 
> Question / Statement 2.
> 
>   Very likely, in my opinion,   your constant current circuit and 
> automatic cut off are controlling the time factor,  dictating 
> what happens, and there is little you or anyone can do to change that.
> 
> Possibility Number 1.
> 
> You could manually move the electrodes, if you had the right 
> container and the right top for it.
> You would then trick the circuits into thinking something had 
> happened, that had not.
> 
> Suggestion Number 1.
> 
> Get a large mouth container, make one, steal one, get it 
> anywhere you can.
> Contact a genius glass cutter if you have to do it, or build 
> it.  Me and others can tell you how.
> 
> Suggestion Number 2.
> 
> Build a custom top with holes or whatever to position your 
> electrodes.  You could change them a time of two, and likely 
> speed up your process, ......... maybe not.
> 
> Sad Fact Number 1.
> 
> If you want to leave the automatic CS maker, go to the store, 
> take a nap, run errands, or whatever, why worry about the time?
> 
> I watch my process, the whole smear sitting on the table, and 
> do other things while watching it.
> 
> You cannot change this cruel world very much, no matter how you try.
> 
> You seem to want the best of one thing, and the best of 
> another, .......... at the same time.
> 
> I doubt that this is possible.  As smart as I am, I cannot do it.
> 
> Final Summary
> 
> Learn to live with the process, learn to live with the 
> dictator you have purchased, or.............
> Become a Terrorist, like I have, to the CS making process.   You 
> cannot be both at the same time.
> 
> What would I do ?
> 
> If by some chance, I found and automatic CS maker laying in 
> the street, ...........
> I would butcher it if I could.  I would add a few switches, a 
> few potentiometers, and go from there.
> 
> I would have a  "Semi Automatic" CS maker, I suppose.
> 
> The whole world of CS making is a dilemma, with many 
> different methods and solutions.
> You pick and choose,  Be a dictator or a terrorist, but no 
> matter, you must rationalize all phases to your mental 
> condition, and accept the decision you make.
> 
> Meantime, back in the jungle, I am happy with my two bit, 
> near nothing CS maker.
> It uses no battery, no transformer ( some call them a Wall 
> Wart,  I cannot stand that term, and I have used 10,000 of 
> the critters )  It uses telephone line power, but could work 
> on batteries, if the phone line disappears.  ( 52 VDC in most 
> cases , but that amount is not on the electrodes )
> 
> Cost about 5 to 6 dollars to build.
> 
> Finally, ......... do not worry yourself sick, trying to 
> change something you cannot change.
> 
> Anyone that thinks there is one way or a best way to make CS, 
> ............
> 
> I fear they are using "Fuzzy Logic" which most know little about.
> 
> If you have simple questions, ask them.
> 
> But you cannot ask complex questions, and expect a simple answer.
> 
> And.......... if you do not understand the question, you will 
> not understand the answer.
> 
> Of course I realize, I answered nothing.  but maybe a few 
> facts mixed with a few theories, and my crazy ideas.
> 
> Wayne    ( Rule of Thumb ? ..... there are no Rules in my thumbs )
> 
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