Interesting site, I have not seen it before. Unfortunately there is
little or no documentation on the cases, making it impossible to follow
up on them to verify the reports. There are a few interesting things I
would like to comment on though:
Argyria Cases Caused by the Use of ENIVA Colloidal Silver: 2
ENIVA markets a high PPM stabilized colloidal silver compound, and
claims that argyria is impossible to acquire from their product due to
the fact that there are no "silver particles" present in their product.
Their aggressive marketing campaigns have lulled at least one
unsuspecting user into a false sense of safety based on the ignorance of
their marketing team, and the unscrupulous character of their business
practices.
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There is something wrong with these statements. First there is no such
thing as a high PPM stabilized colloidal silver, true colloidal silver
has a limit of about 20 to 25 ppm. They claim there are no silver
particles. Well the definition of colloid means particles suspended, so
they are contradicting themselves right there. Lastly, it is silver
ions, such as silver salts which cause argyria, particles not only
cannot cause it, but provide nucleation sites for salts so that they can
be captured without causing argyria. That is particles tend to be a
prophylactic to argyria development.
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This category is the most troublesome:
Argyria Cases Caused by the Use of Properly made Isolated Silver: 2
I have just finished evaluating the first case of argyria caused by
properly made EIS. EIS, made with steam distilled water by correctly
using a Colloid Master AC generator, caused a pronounced case of argyria
after three years of ingesting 6 ounces daily. The argyria is most
visible on the throat area.
An individual reported acquiring argyria after several years of daily
ingestion of a product claiming to be @45 PPM.
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The first of those we need to try and get more information on. That one
concerns me. The second one does not sound right, since one cannot make
45 ppm colloidal silver by proper methods, he had to have been adding
salt, or using impure water.
Marshall
Norton, Steve wrote:
Thanks for the info Marshall.
Silver citrate has gotten my interest. While it may not replace ionic or
collodal silver it has some attractive characteristics:
-The dry ingredients can be stored for an emergency and can be mixed
without electricty if need be.
-When traveling by air you can take a small amount of concentrated
silver citrate and dilute it when needed. Distilled water is not needed
for dilution.
-The concentrated silver citrate can be sent to others, such as
family,with dilution instructions.
Of course, all that is meaningless if it is not safe. While I realize
that turning blue is not life threating, I still put that in the not
safe category. I got the following statistics from
http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria-cases.html:
Argyria Case Reports:
Argyria Cases Caused by the Use of Mild Silver Protein: 10
Argyria Cases Caused by the Use of Silver Citrate, Water OZ: 3
Argyria Cases Caused by the Use of ENIVA Colloidal Silver: 2
Argyria Cases Caused by the Use of Silver Nitrate: Numerous
Argyria Cases Caused by the Use of Silver and Salts: 4
Argyria & Silver Poisoning Cases Caused by the Environmental
Contamination: 4
Argyria Cases Caused by the Use of Improperly made Isolated Silver: 3
Argyria Cases Caused by the Use of Properly made Isolated Silver: 2
The number of Water Oz cases of Argyria are not much different than
those of EIS but of course I am sure that there are many more users of
EIS than Water Oz and so the statistics for Silver Citrate looks much
better than they really are. From what I gathered, the Water Oz Argyria
cases are from when Water Oz was a higher ppm than it is now (100 ppm
now) and Water Oz was claiming that you could take unlimited (?) amounts
without fear of Argyria. The maker of Silver 100, holder of the patent,
recommends dosages that are no more than 25% of the EPA Oral RfD for
silver per day and claims that to be safe from Argyria. Interestingly,
the makers of Silver Citrate claim to be more effective than EIS because
(1) the citrate prevents the silver from forming less effective silver
salts/compounds and (2) The pathogens consider the citrate as food and
so consume the Silver Citrate leading to their demise.
I would be interested if you have any thoughts on this.
Oh, you mention the potassium in the solution. This is what I found
regarding that:
"While the patent covers a broad range of substances, the company has
chosen to use citrate as the complexing agent, and potassium as the
counter-ion for maximum stability"
_ Steve N
-----Original Message-----
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>Making ionic silver from silver oxide
That produces silver citrate, which is what Silver Oz is, although it
will also have some potassium in it that I don't think Silver Oz has. A
number of people have been reported to have turned blue from Silver Oz,
since it is not colloidal silver at all. Silver citrate is easy to
produce by running a current through water with cirtic acid added using
silver electrodes.
Marshall
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