Trem:

Could you please tell me the specification for the IC (or chip) that is used
for current regulation?
Some time ago -- I don't know if it was you -- someone posted the
information but unfortunately I have missplaced it.  Thanks and best
regards,

Art



----- Original Message -----
From: Trem Williams <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Current regulator


> Hello James,
>
> I'll do my best to answer your questions.  Over the period of time I was
> designing our generator, I tried different combinations of voltage,
current,
> silver electrode size, water temperature, water quantity and electrode
> spacing.  I noticed right off that if I used a constant voltage source,
the
> colloid was never consistent.  By that I mean it was sometimes yellow,
> muddy, dark, brown or gray.  I noticed that all the previous variables
> affected the end product.  About that time I decided the variables would
> have to be eliminated to make a consistent colloid.  It turned out there
> were too many variables to juggle.  I then thought that perhaps a constant
> current source would help by not allowing current to rise so rapidly as
when
> using the constant voltage source.  I still had occasional problems
however.
> I was still using silver wire.  It was about that time I tried using
silver
> with more surface area and that was when the colloid became more
consistent.
> It was obvious to me that lower current density was one of the great
secrets
> to consistency and uniformity.  So I began to make it with the same
> electrode material we now provide with our generators.  It is 1/4" wide  X
> 5" long.  Wetted depth is about 4 inches.  The surface area of our
> electrodes is about 2.5 times that of 14 Ga. wire.  That made a major
> difference in the end product.  It worked quite well but there still
seemed
> to be times when it wasn't as consistent as I thought it should be so I
> began to experiment with different current settings.  After many
> experiments, I settled on 1 milliampere as being the best compromise.  The
> current density was low enough that I had little fallout and the colloid
was
> the same every time.  It would turn yellow overnight every time and I had
no
> longer had any problems with spacing or temperature or timing.
>
> So, as you can see I am not an expert but I do have some expertise.  I can
> categorically state from my own experiences that one cannot control a
> constant voltage source and small gauge silver wires and the spacing
> consistently enough to make a product as uniform as when using a constant
> LOW current source and large surface are electrodes.
>
> As I state in our web page, running a constant voltage generator is like
> driving an automobile with the gas pedal stuck to the floorboard.  It will
> run away with you.  You end up with large particles.  I quote you from the
> message below.
>
> >When making colloidal silver, the only time you have to worry about large
> > particle size is when you are letting the process run to long.
>
> You know I am right as does anyone who uses constant voltage generators.
> The current begins to rapidly rise as the silver is deposited in the
water.
> Your voltage, timing, spacing, wetted surface and water temperature all
> affect the end product.   And not to its benefit.
>
> I am NOT saying a few batteries and a couple of pieces of silver wire
> doesn't work.  I am saying it doesn't work as well as what I provide.  And
> that's the end of that story.   Constant current IS better.  SO is larger
> surface area electrodes.
>
> Back to you.
>
>
> Trem
> [email protected]
>
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: James Vernon, Allison <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Re: Current regulator
>
>
>
> > I'm just trying to clarify so that I may understand.  You manufacture a
> > colloidal silver generator with a proprietary circuit and you're not an
> > expert?
> >
> > You say that your current regulator limits the current to 1 milliampere.
> > How did you come to the conclusion that 1 milliampere is the best
current
> to
> > use?  If I run 3 9volt batteries to silver to pure distilled water for
30
> > minutes, with the silver spaced 3/4 inches apart and a wetted depth of 3
> and
> > a half inches, are you implying that my CS won't be of uniform small
> > particle size with little or no fallout?
> >
> > In my humble opinion, a regulator will only do you good if you have a
> habit
> > of forgetting the time and letting your process run for to long.  When
> > making colloidal silver, the only time you have to worry about large
> > particle size is when you are letting the process run to long.  If you
> know
> > how to tell time, and have a watch or a clock, then you do not need a
> > current regulator.
> >
> > As I stated, the above paragraph is only an opinion, but if it is wrong,
> > then please direct me to an expert who can educate me.
> >
> > Yours in health,
> >
> > James Vernon, Allison
> >
> >
> >
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