Forgive me, but I'm finding your combative tone a bit inappropriate.
If you take the time to read everything I said, then you would realize that 
what I said applies to the *average* "production facility from which *most* 
bird corpses are bought. It is not debateable.

Can we *please* move on now?


On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:19:08PM -0700, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
>    Indi -- that is total BS and proves your ignorance.  It so happens that my
>    husband and I built two broiler houses and raised chickens commercially
>    for 13 years.  Beaks and feet were never removed -- if they were, then the
>    birds would not be able to get to the feed and water that they need to
>    survive, much less grow to harvest size.  Neither were they confined to
>    "very tight spaces" -- the barns were large and airy.  You may have some
>    valid points regarding beef, but not poultry.  MA
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>    From: Indi <[email protected]>
>    To: [email protected]
>    Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:44:38 PM
>    Subject: Re: CS>the corpse thread...OT
>    Yes, indeed. And with chickens they commonly remove the beaks and feet,
>    so they don't peck and claw each other in a mad panic. This because they
>    are confined in large numbers to very tight spaces.
>    The meat industry is hellishly cruel, and anyone who imagines otherwise
>    hasn't seriously looked into it. And for those too hard-hearted to mind
>    the
>    cruelty, you might want to look into the health concerns surrounding the
>    modern methods of "production"...
>    Rather than spoon feeding anyone a specific link which will likely be
>    disregarded as "biased", I recommend looking that up for yourselves at
>    http://tinyurl.com/cmdatt . A sincere desire to know the truth will always
>    yield the most powerful results.
> 
>    On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 06:13:53PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote:
>    >    What, being wrenched upside down and hung on a conveyor belt, then
>    having
>    >    their heads dipped into water and electrocuted - before having them
>    sliced
>    >    off?  I don't call that humane!  Also before this they are kept in
>    their
>    >    thousands, crammed together with no room to move in giant sheds.  Not
>    >    humane at all.  Dee
>    >
>    >    -------Original Message-------
>    >
>    >    From: [1]MaryAnn Helland
>    >    Date: 25/04/2009 18:06:33
>    >    To: [2][1][email protected]
>    >    Subject: Re: CS>the corpse thread...OT
>    >
>    >    Dee -- turkeys are not cruelly abused.  They are slaughtered in a
>    fairly
>    >    humane manner, just like chickens.  FWIW.  MA
>    >
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