I guess you just want to fight and don't care about the subject, facts, or
anything else. Surely there's a list you could subscribe to for that
somewhere? 

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On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 08:12:24AM -0700, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
>    Well -- that would be the pot calling the kettle black, dear.  You are the
>    poster queen for combative posts.  I suspect that Ruth, and many others
>    here, would agree.  And your efforts to ameliorate your combativeness with
>    cute little smiles and grins just doesn't work.  So you might want to
>    review your manner of speaking to people with whom you disagree -- it's
>    been brought to your attention before, and my post to you was an example
>    of what you routinely post to the list.  MA
>    P.S.  I just love it when you state your version of the facts, and then
>    announce that the subject matter "is not debateable"!  (smile)
>    P.P.S.S  Yes -- we can "move on now".  :-)
> 
>    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>    From: Indi <[email protected]>
>    To: [email protected]
>    Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:54:47 PM
>    Subject: Re: CS>the corpse thread...OT
>    Forgive me, but I'm finding your combative tone a bit inappropriate.
>    If you take the time to read everything I said, then you would realize
>    that
>    what I said applies to the *average* "production facility from which
>    *most*
>    bird corpses are bought. It is not debateable.
> 
>    Can we *please* move on now?
> 
>    On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:19:08PM -0700, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
>    >    Indi -- that is total BS and proves your ignorance.  It so happens
>    that my
>    >    husband and I built two broiler houses and raised chickens
>    commercially
>    >    for 13 years.  Beaks and feet were never removed -- if they were,
>    then the
>    >    birds would not be able to get to the feed and water that they need
>    to
>    >    survive, much less grow to harvest size.  Neither were they confined
>    to
>    >    "very tight spaces" -- the barns were large and airy.  You may have
>    some
>    >    valid points regarding beef, but not poultry.  MA
>    >
>    >
>    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    >
>    >    From: Indi <[1][email protected]>
>    >    To: [2][email protected]
>    >    Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:44:38 PM
>    >    Subject: Re: CS>the corpse thread...OT
>    >    Yes, indeed. And with chickens they commonly remove the beaks and
>    feet,
>    >    so they don't peck and claw each other in a mad panic. This because
>    they
>    >    are confined in large numbers to very tight spaces.
>    >    The meat industry is hellishly cruel, and anyone who imagines
>    otherwise
>    >    hasn't seriously looked into it. And for those too hard-hearted to
>    mind
>    >    the
>    >    cruelty, you might want to look into the health concerns surrounding
>    the
>    >    modern methods of "production"...
>    >    Rather than spoon feeding anyone a specific link which will likely be
>    >    disregarded as "biased", I recommend looking that up for yourselves
>    at
>    >    http://tinyurl.com/cmdatt . A sincere desire to know the truth will
>    always
>    >    yield the most powerful results.
>    >
>    >    On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 06:13:53PM +0100, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote:
>    >    >    What, being wrenched upside down and hung on a conveyor belt,
>    then
>    >    having
>    >    >    their heads dipped into water and electrocuted - before having
>    them
>    >    sliced
>    >    >    off?  I don't call that humane!  Also before this they are kept
>    in
>    >    their
>    >    >    thousands, crammed together with no room to move in giant
>    sheds.  Not
>    >    >    humane at all.  Dee
>    >    >
>    >    >    -------Original Message-------
>    >    >
>    >    >    From: [1]MaryAnn Helland
>    >    >    Date: 25/04/2009 18:06:33
>    >    >    To: [2][1][3][email protected]
>    >    >    Subject: Re: CS>the corpse thread...OT
>    >    >
>    >    >    Dee -- turkeys are not cruelly abused.  They are slaughtered in
>    a
>    >    fairly
>    >    >    humane manner, just like chickens.  FWIW.  MA
>    >    >
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