Neville, Thanks for the info. I will think on it a while. The reason I asked was not to question your claim but I also prefer to increase the amount of small silver particles even at the expense of silver ions (up to a point). I sometimes generate a yellow solution, let it stabilize and then add H2O2 to convert the agglomerated silver and some of the ionic silver to small silver particles. I do this because it would appear that the ionic silver, converted to silver chloride in the stomach, gives a quick punch while the silver particles gives an extended effect. I don't have proof of this. Additionally in vitro tests have shown that silver particles work directly on bacteria and viruses as well as the ions so why not have plenty of both. I may be the minority on this as most here appear to work to minimize silver particles. As another data point, Utopia Silver which produces and sells colloidal silver recently developed an EIS generator to sell that is optimized to generate EIS with a high silver particle content. It uses 48 volts and makes a yellow EIS and even at that it only provides 30% silver particles. BTW, from what I have been to determine silver particles greater than about 1.5 microns are too large to pass through the intestinal walls and so yellow EIS has particles too large. Anyway that is why my interest. - Steve N
________________________________ From: Neville Munn <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Sun May 03 21:35:45 2009 Subject: RE: CS>High particle EIS Hi Steve, Ummm, well that's going to be a little tricky for me to explain. Not wanting to open old wounds, and not having completed my electronics course, I can only say that I *surmise* or *presume* the following is what is occurring, whilst not necessarily understanding the 'scientifics' of it, of which I'm not particularly phased at this point in time as I can continue to study that aspect at my leasure. Simplified, in my circuit I have a diode? LED? whatever they are called but these only allow the 'current'? to flow directional, from the anode to the cathode let's say, whereby predominantly ions may be produced, but when the switch is set in the position for 'current' to flow from the cathode to the anode then the dynamics of the process would change and probably 'works' quicker as the conductivity of the water increases, this I figure will 'encourage' particle clusters to become more predominant, hence possibly increasing the formation of particle cluster content. It usually takes me around 2 to 2 1/2 hours, (dependant on all the factors associated with EIS production, as we all know), to produce around a 20 odd ppm, give or take, but during this time I *carefully* remove the electrodes from the water every 30 minutes to wipe any 'residue' off which may/will be present, and alternate the electrode polarity. The above explanation is why I think I get the percentage of which I spoke. I should add that I use my own home made magnetic stirrer also as I believe this is an important factor in my production process. I had several samples laboratory tested, of varying colours, and one of those results, of a clear solution, came back with: 12mg/l soluble Ag(filtered thru a 0.45 micron paper filter), 23.5 Total Ag (acidified HCL), giving 51/49 ionic/particulate %. These samples were done 18 days after production, well long enough for stabilization to have taken place. Whilst not being able to go into any 'scientific specifics' regarding the above, I believe I understand how I get these results, and can alter that result accordingly. This is where I can pursue the 'scientifics' of it at my leasure by examining more closely my units using DMM's and taking readings etc, frankly, I can't be bothered at this point in time, perhaps at a later date. I have done considerable research since last here and have satisfied myself that my best method of deducing the quality of my product, failing suitable lab equipment setups in my kitchen, is by eyesight and observation of any settlement and/or plateout which may become apparent after a suitable 'stabilizing' time period. In the 'perfect world' I would ideally like to have *every* batch I produce lab analysed for a period of 6 months or so, then I would have my own 'research' material. This is about the best I can do by way of answering your questions Steve. N. ________________________________ Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:56:55 -0500 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: CS>High particle EIS Neville, In another post you made the comment: "In my experience, using my own equipment and production methods, I have gotten this ratio closer to 50/50." What is your method and how are you determining the ratio? - Steve N ________________________________ Find car news, reviews and more Looking to change your car this year? <http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT>
