Alex, I tried using North (negative pole) of the magnet when brewing CS by
placing it at the bottom of the glass.  It reduced the brewing time about
40%.I tried some right after brewing.  It gave me a weird feeling of being
charged.  It lasted a couple of hours. I never tried it again. Be careful.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ALEX C TORRES [SMTP:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:58 PM
> To:   [email protected]
> Subject:      Re: CS>BIG CS Generator
> 
> Dear Jim,
> I had use a strong magnet to move the water... did you know that magnets
> moves water? Try this: Put a recipient with water at the freezer (better
> two) One with a strong magnet (speaker magnet) at the bottom and one
> without. When it is frozen, the one with the magnet shows some circles,
> that
> mean the water was moving. With this in mind I use some magnets when i
> make
> CS. Please try it and report please.
> Alex Torres M.D.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 11:07 AM
> Subject: CS>BIG CS Generator
> 
> 
> >If you want to make lots of cs at one time, want control over the
> >process, don't want to baby-sit the generator, maybe this is for you.
> >
> >There is more than one way to skin a cat, and the example of the setup
> >below can certainly be changed to make a system you might like better.
> >
> >I like to give cs away, and making cs with my 10,000 volt setup was
> >too time consuming when many people wanted cs in the same week!  So I
> >wanted to make a setup that would do a good job in more of a hurry.
> >
> >The example below runs off household current of 120 vac.  For those of
> >you who would like to run off battery, you can bypass the ac circuitry
> >in the supply and use a couple car batteries instead.  For those in
> >the 220volt 50hz parts of the world, a simple transformer in front of
> >the power supply would suffice.  Etc., etc..
> >
> >This is not a refined system which has been custom engineered for cs,
> >it is a slap-together setup from normally found stuff, so anyone can
> >do it anywhere.  And it works very, very well!!!!!
> >_____________
> >
> >POWER SUPPLY:  voltage and current limiting, 0-35 volts dc, 0-1 or 2
> >amps continuous (not stated in documentation), 5 amp max.  Made in
> >Taiwan without a label so anyone can private label it.  Taiwan part
> >number:  Model: VAP-5A30V2.  This model is sold by CALRAD number
> >45-774.  It has a volt meter, ammeter, and pots to adjust limits to
> >each.  List about $230US, can get for $50 less with shopping.  Yes, it
> >is a bit big, but workable.  Voltage meter and adj. is just fine, the
> >amp adj. and meter need some help unless you use enough silver to use
> >about a whole amp of power.  I'm sure there are cheaper ways out
> >there, I just used this one as I was readily available with current
> >limiting built in.  [An alternative supply with current limiting on
> >board would be a small dc motor drive at a used electric place.  Even
> >some of the newer ones are pretty cheap.  A person would only have to
> >use enough electrode surface area to work within the range of the
> >drive.]
> >
> >ELECTRODES:  This was simply a starting point, your setup may vary.  I
> >used 12 pieces of 1mm thick silver sheet 2 in. x 6 in. submerged 5" in
> >the water.  Use sheet at least this thick, because you cannot afford
> >to have a thinner sheet bending on you when you clean them.
> >Electrodes must be pretty straight and flat.  I arranged the
> >electrodes  like an expanded stack with 1.5" spacing with alternating
> >charges just like a battery.  Spacing is not very critical as I have
> >the ability to current limit, however, the larger the spacing, the
> >less small deviations in alignment and flatness of electrodes will
> >matter.  Also, the larger the spacing, the longer it takes to start
> >up, as the voltage is limited to 35vdc with this particular power
> >supply.  Each electrode must be spaced the same from each other
> >electrode.  File and polish all sharp edges, or you will get a lot of
> >fallout in the cs.
> >
> >You can use different configurations, larger pieces (which I will next
> >time I order), more or fewer electrodes, different spacing, different
> >current limit point.  Even just two big electrodes.
> >
> >ELECTRODE BURN OFF:  I have found that turning the setup on to "burn
> >in" the electrodes is of great help in reducing the high spots on the
> >electrodes.  Just set it up, crank up the amps, and let it run all
> >day.  The cs will have a tremendous amount of fallout, but after that
> >the electrodes will make a cs will little fallout.
> >
> >ELECTRODE SOURCE:  I bought mine form Swest.  You can find them at
> >swestinc.com  .  If you order from them, make sure you tell them you
> >want accurate cuts.  My order came back with pieces that were not cut
> >very close.  I complained, and the manager called me up to apologize
> >and promise better service next time.  They will make any size you
> >want.
> >
> >BATCH TANK:  I used a 10 gallon aquarium, filled half full.
> >
> >STIRRING:  Stir, or you WILL have unhappy results.  Highly conductive
> >cs will pile up between some electrodes, and the current will not be
> >the same everywhere.  You will make very large particle cs without
> >stirring.  I use a regular fish tank filter pump without the filter.
> >I found some had an unprotected metal rotor, and some had plastic or
> >teflon covered pump rotor.  Obviously I did not want the exposed
> >metal.
> >
> >POLARITY REVERSAL:  I went down to the local used industrial
> >electronics store and bought an old percentage timer for $5US.  It has
> >only a single pole relay, so I use it to drive a double pole relay to
> >switch polarity every 30 seconds.  If you don't switch polarity, the
> >setup will still work, but the electrodes are a real mess, fallout is
> >massive, etc..  Once fallout settles overnight, the cs is clear and
> >stable, however.
> >
> >PUTTING IT TOGETHER:  5 gal of ds in the fish tank, hang electrodes
> >according to above, use alligator clips to connect each electrode to
> >the appropriate polarity, turn on circulation pump, PRESTO, you have a
> >monster cs maker.  I actually do not hang my electrodes, as I did not
> >want them flopping around with the moving water.  I used a plastic
> >rack to put on the bottom of my tank and put the electrodes in the
> >slots to hold firm.  Worried about the rack collecting fallout and
> >affecting current flow, but with a little care it can be done with
> >good results.  Or just hang 'em.
> >
> >I limit my current to 200 milliamps.  I turn off at about 24 volts.  I
> >put my multimeter in line to measure the amps as the meter on the
> >power supply is not good enough for fine tuning this sort of process.
> >The process levels out at about 40+ microsiemens, and after a bit of
> >fallout overnight, is very clear and measures about 38 mS.  Stays very
> >clear in hard plastic (soda pop bottle), will get darker in soft
> >plastic (ds water bottle).
> >
> >Inside the power supply, there is a pot that adjusts the range of main
> >amp adjusting pot.  I crank this all the way ccw, and it gives me a
> >bit less touchy amp adjust capability.  Need to install a 20 turn pot.
> >
> >AUTO SHUTOFF:  Simpson makes a digital volt meter with auto shutoff,
> >not cheap though.  I have a Simpson digital amp meter with dual
> >contacts and programmable.  I can hook up to my ac input to the power
> >supply, and make the setup shut down when I read a low enough amp
> >draw, which will correlate to the lower watt output of the dc side
> >when the cs is finished.  Someone on  the list probably has a cheap
> >and easy way of accomplishing an auto shut off.  You could always just
> >use a timer to shut down, and when you get back (or wake up) just turn
> >the generator on the see how close you are to your intended voltage
> >output, run till done.
> >
> >PREHEATING:  I have not, but with the current limiting maybe you could
> >for a faster startup, as it takes a couple hours to get up to .2 amps
> >without heating.  Others may have more to say on that.
> >
> >So, I get 5 gallons in about 5 hours, very clear, 40mS, very stable
> >over a few weeks in a soda bottle.  Tyndall is weak after initial
> >fallout.  I have found that the process can be run longer or at a
> >higher current limit, but after the fallout the tyndall is still weak,
> >and the mS reading is still about the same.  There appears to be a
> >wall as to how much silver can be put into the water with low volt dc,
> >as others have mentioned on the list.  Anything more simple falls out.
> >
> >The same amount of cs would take me 40 hours of run time in my CS Pro
> >Ultra generator, and I don't have the control over the high volt
> >process I have with this one.  I'm happy with the results.  You can
> >increase the surface area and run at 1.5 amps, or something like that,
> >and make cs in a real hurry.  There may be commercial value here, or
> >there just may be a greater benefit to your neighborhood.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
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