Hi Doug!

> Hanna's unofficial recommendation -- if they'll talk to you at all
> -- is take the TDS-1 reading and divide by a factor of 4". And then
> proceed to wave a headless plucked chicken over it!!

Welllll, what do you expect, Doug???!  

First off, Hanna Co. is quite impenetrable at times. I've only
managed to have a good conversation with someone there once I found
the right person. But you ought to understand they're a *scientific*
instrumentation company used to dealing with folks working at
universities and big companies and such.

Now, in comes this rabble, waving plucked chickens all around,
asking them if their cheapest product will measure ppm of something
called Colloidal Silver, said material being made by a multitude of
uncontrolled protocols by a bunch of grandmothers and retired
engineers over their kitchen tables! <grin>

Mostly, they're just shaking their heads and wishing we'd go away.

I doubt that factor of four they gave you will get you very far...

> Now what have you got? You have CS of maybe 4ppm and a TDS-1 reading
> of maybe 14/16. I believe you are reading the amount of silver fluff
> or treeing that actually dissolves into the water/CS solution. If
> one brews for 4 hours, one has a TDS-1 reading of say 36 and who
> knows what PPM!! Maybe 8/9 ppm. The brew has become much greyer i.e.
> more fluff has dissolved into the solution.

I'm pretty careful to remove most of the fluff along the way. Every 
once in a while I gently draw the electrodes out of the water and 
wipe them off, stir things a little, then take a "tds" reading.

I do this until I reach a "tds" reading of about 10. I figure, not 
having calibrated *this* protocol by other methods, yet, that I'm 
getting a real reading within a factor of two either way.

But what I *am* getting, is a similar product to what I made the last 
time.

Read that again, folks! That's *ALL* that I'm getting, and I'm happy 
to have it!

> Remember the $15 TDS-1 is designed to measure dissolved salts and
> the like in water. That's all they claim it will do. And that's what
> it's doing -- it measures the minute particles of silver fluff in
> your solution and this fluff is not a colloid of silver -- please
> correct me if I'm way off the mark!!

It basically measures the ability of the sample to conduct 
electricity. Whether it's a true colloidal particle with a net charge 
on it, an individual ionized atom, or contamination from the 
distilled water, the TDS meter will dutifully report on their 
presence.

What any of that means in relation to true ppm of silver in the sol 
is another thing entirely, and beyond the scope of any of us to 
quantify except in the case of one configuration of apparatus and one 
production recipe.

You'll note that Bob mentions his tidy little 1 cm square 
conductivity probe? The TDS does the exact same thing, with the 
additional feature of temperature compensation over a fairly broad 
range.

In fact, if you buy the calibration standards for Hanna's PWT (Pure
Water Tester), you can use them to calibrate your TDS as a very
decent conductivity probe reading out, not in some fabled "ppm", but
rather the perfectly legitimate unit of conductivity, the 
microsiemens (uS).

> ...One then adds some previously collected fluff/treeing, stirs and
> dissolves liberally and Voila! -- the reading climbs and the more
> you add, the more the reading increases!

Heck! You could make a serviceable conductive *paint* with that 
stuff, if you stir it into a suitable oil base. Add more potential 
charge carriers to the water and you'll have more of 'em bumping into 
the probe pins. Up goes the reading.

> I know, it's sort of reassuring -- dunking the TDS-1 in and taking a
> reading -- and pretending -- as I did for almost 12 months that I
> was taking a meaningful scientific reading.

It just depends on *what* meaningful scientific reading you think 
you're making. <grin>

As a simple, conductivity based reading of concentration versus past 
batches done by the same protocol, it's perfectly legitimate. But, 
you're right! It does not directly measure ppm, and anybody who 
thinks it does is fooling themselves.

In all the FAQ's for the silver list, the controversy over the TDS-1 
will deserve a chapter unto itself! <shakes head>

[munch]

> BeSilvered Streaker, enSlaved unscientific Tinkerer or is that
> Thinkerer? --
> that's the trouble when silver get's into the pores of your skin and
> now lingers and clogs the brain, causing me to go on Silavating!

>From one happy punnster to another:  "GROAAANNNN!!!!"
 
> PS: Should I survive, I hope to do it all again with gold. AgHHH!!

Shouldn't that be "AuGHHHHHH"?  <GRINNN>

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[[email protected]                       ]
[Speaking only for myself...              ]


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