[I also guess that Altman drank the EIS quickly]
-And *THAT* is but *ONE* of those things that never seems to appear in published material, and that means the *reader* is encouraged to form some conclusions of his/her own...Welcome to the club of those who find it necessary to "plug the gaps" and appear to swim against the flow *despite* popular opinion or published material. Published material needs to inform of *EVERYTHING*, no matter how small or insignificant it may seem to the writer. There are many holes I consider need plugging in that 'dyke', doesn't matter how ridiculous one looks spread out all over that wall plugging them with fingers and toes...It needs to be done. That's it Boss, I can feel myself slipping <g>. N. > Subject: RE: FW: CS>WHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria! > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:33:44 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > As best I have been able to determine, there are 3 primary excretion > paths for silver: > > * Silver in solution is removed by the liver through the biliary > excretion path. This path has a capacity of around 1 mg of silver per > day. > > * Large silver particles are removed by the liver by Kuypper cells. > Starting at roughly 2.2 nm and larger. > > * Small silver particles are filtered out by the kidney. Roughly 2.2 nm > and smaller. There is an overlap region where particles may be removed > by either the liver or the kidney. There may some forms of silver in > solution that the kidney removes but I have not found any referenced in > any scientific studies. > > I did find a study at > http://www.jnrc.org.cn/qikan/epaper/zhaiyao.asp?bsid=4825, that states > that Ag(NH3)2 is removed primarily by the liver. Ag(NH3)2 is the > silver/ammonia compound that Stuart Thomson proposes as being formed. I > was able to find nothing relating to fulminating silver in vivo. > > Looking at Altman's study data, I estimate the silver excreted over the > 96 days at roughly 321 mg. 115 mg through the liver (35%) and 206 mg > through the kidney (65%). I also guess that Altman drank the EIS quickly > so that few of the silver ions passed through the mucosal tissues. (Just > FYI. The one day preliminary excretion test showed a different ratio > between the liver and kidney, 20% through the liver and 80% through the > kidney.) > > I estimated the average excretion rate through the liver at 1.2 mg/day. > This is a little high for the biliary excretion path and could account > for the removal of some large particles. Or perhaps it could be > measurement error. (I would expect a larger measurement error in the > feces depending on how homogeneous the silver was in the feces being > sampled. Urine samples should be fairly accurate.) But the output is > amazingly close to the predicted max biliary excretion rate and I think > it does represent the elimination of silver that is in solution and not > just large particles. > > > Personally, I do not put much faith in Frank's silver ion measurement. > > > - Steve N > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:17 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: FW: CS>WHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria! > > There is another problem as well. The chemistry of silver indicates > that any silver ions in the blood will quickly plate out on any silver > particles in the blood, which do not register as ions. He does not > confirm that the ions do not make it into the blood, we know from those > who get argyria from silver compounds they do, but rather that when > taken with colloidal particles are quickly plated out on the particles > which are in the blood. > > Marshall > > Mike Monett wrote: > > > Frank used an ion selective probe to see if there was any Ionic > > > Silver in the blood after ingesting EIS. He found none. > > > > I remember that post. Frank was being very disingenuous. He buys a > > lot of expensive lab equipment and certainly knows the capabilities > > and limitations of each measurement. > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > Address Off-Topic messages to: [email protected] > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > _________________________________________________________________ Shopping Trolley Mechanic If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/
