Hello Steve, It seems that not only are there several reactions going on, but they seem to be able to flip/flop at times. This adds another layer of complexity to the whole thing.
You will have to pardon my "over simplification" of the process. My thought process works better when I can stand way back and establish an overview. Once I grasp the overview, I find it easier to zoom in and analyze the various details. I find it very amazing that silver ions are effective at such low concentrations. I am used to working in PPM ranges, and now find myself considering PPB ranges. I have done a little testing with H2O2, and ended up with a cloudy solution. It still seems to be effective when used externally, but I don't know about ingesting it. There seems to be some data on tetrasilver tetraoxide and I was thinking that the oxidation of H2O2 may help form that crystal as an oxide on the particles. Leverage seems to favor EIS over CS, but both seem to be effective in a number of situations. Thanks for all of your help in helping me understand this. It is going to take a while for it to sink in, but I think I am beginning to get a feel for it. Once I have an understanding of how it could possibly work, I will then take a look at why it doesn't work in some cases. I think the easy part is learning how it works... Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norton, Steve" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:47 AM Subject: FW: CS>moon on fingernails? -- how much do you use? > > Tom, > You are doing ok. One reason I gave the various studies was to show that Silver in vivo has a number of ways of attacking bacteria and virus. Add to that the fact that silver can and does change its compound form in vivo unpredictably will start to give you an idea of the complexity of the colloidal silver use. > I have never tried to estimate the number of silver particles in a particular dose of CS. I guess one could calculate it if one was motivated enough. The Atomic Weight/Mass of a silver atom is 107.8682 amu. A formula I use to roughly approximate the number of atoms in a silver particle is y = 31.25x3 + 0.0915x2 – 2.0602x + 1.7183. Where y is the number of atoms and x is the particle size in nm. The formula was derived by using four data values I had found online and using a best fit curve routine to get the equation. > > As far as EIS is concerned, I find that the equation is useful to evaluate EIS against a true colloidal silver you can purchase. (BTW, the use of hydrogen peroxide with EIS was discovered in the 2001 timeframe by some of the members of the silver list. Here is a link that provides some insight to the stir it caused back then, http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2archives.html. Of course, any good idea gets taken by someone else and patented.) Now back to the subject. The CS with the smallest particle size that I know of is Mesosilver and Utopia Silver. Both have average particle sizes in the 2 nm range. That would mean average of about 250 atoms per particle. ( Note, there are CS suppliers out there selling CS with particle sizes in the 10 – 20 nm range. A 20 nm particle has about 250,000 atoms per particle. Avoid them, they are no bargain.) > > But I keep digressing. As Marshall pointed out earlier if you add H2O2 to EIS you can get up to 50% silver ions and 50% silver particles with most silver particles being a two atom particle. How to do this is a subject I will not cover here. So for each particle in the best CS you can get, in this EIS you would get 125 silver ions and 62 two atom silver particles. That is 187 ions/particles in EIS for each Mesosilver or Utopia Silver CS particle. An almost unbelievable multiplier when you consider it. And the total number of silver particles and ions in an ounce of 10 ppm EIS is somewhat astounding. While one might have enough pathogens to overwhelm an initial dose of EIS, experience has shown that over time EIS or CS wins out. > > - Steve N > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: poast [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:50 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CS>moon on fingernails? -- how much do you use? > > Hello Steve, > > Wow, that's a lot to get through. > > It looks like silver ions float through our bodies. In some cases it acts > as a catalyst, and in other cases the ion is brought inside the pathogen > cell, in the case of E coli. With a virus like HIV, it looks like the > silver ion somehow is involved with attaching silver nano particles to the > virus. > > In both cases, it appears that both the silver ions and particles can be > consumed in the process. This would indicate that if there were enough > viruses or pathogens, they could overwhelm the silver ions and particles. > > The image of the HIV virus looked like there may be up to 10 - 12 particles > per virus. Any idea how many viruses there may be in a normal sized body? > Also, how many nano particles are there in an ounce of EIS? > > In a similar fashion, how many silver ions were consumed by the E coli cell? > When the cell is dead, do the silver ions return to the body, or are the > washed out along with the dead cells? > > Overall the whole process looks pretty straightforward. You just need to > find a way to get ions and particles in proximity to the pathogens... > > Am I getting closer...? > > Tom > > NurJzrzNvz9jzJztNprzɜzz -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. 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