Then it's the sock AND the skin.
Conductive pad..."wet"...to distribute the electro-chemicals [of whatever
sort] over a wider area so they don't concentrate so much.
What chemistry transports electrons in the sock may not be the same as in
the skin, but what's at and under the skin is the same when it gets
there...salt.
If you use a silver electrode, you substitute the metallic ions to some
degree and that may not be as caustic or as acidic, but it's still
electro-chemistry transporting electrons.
Sure, if you expose a pathogen to the current directly, you get a direct
kill, but HOW does it kill even then? You are out of the interface chain
is all.
If that pathogen isn't in some sort of wet environment. it's already dead
or has spoored.
You aren't killing pathogens directly when they are inside your bod...not
with a spark anyhow...not unless you want to stand in the middle of an
ionized gas plasma.
Now THAT will give you [or a pathogen it can get to] a "heat burn" and you
can turn water into an ionized gas, but you won't like it if that water is
inside you as it tends to do so rather explosively leaving charred flesh
behind.
I am familiar with collapsing field tank circuits, being old enough to
remember points type ignition systems...and "bitten" by them a few times at
that...and have replaced many a set of burned tungsten points.
But when the power dissipates enough that it won't support the ionization
path, right back to electro-chemicals... "amping" the neurons first as the
path of the most conductive and fastest of the chemical products chain,
neurotransmitters. [ JERK and wiggle along with the pulses of quick
chemical changes ]
Next question: Can venom be altered by altering the chemistry of the blood
with an electrical current?
I'd say likely so.
Note that most "itch sticks" have ammonium as the base.. a caustic substance.
"Pee on jelly fish stings"..ammonium again.
Ammonium Hydroxide...Sodium Hydroxide. Alkaline.
Ode
At 11:03 AM 4/27/2010 -0400, you wrote:
Sorry, but it can't be electrochemical. Many of the first zappers,
including mine, had socks over the electrodes, which you wet first. Any
electrochemical generation will be at the interface of the sock and the
metal, not the sock and the skin, so nothing generated even makes it to
the skin ro into the body. That is one of the reasons for using the sock
in the first place, so you don't get burned by things like sodium
hydroxide which CAN get generated at the electrodes. Also the pulser,
which works by similar means, that is generating an electric pulse in
response to a collapsing magnetic field has no such chemicals generated at
all. Sin e the pulser works, we KNOW that a fast electronic pulse will
kill pathogens directly.
Marshall
Ode Coyote wrote:
By what mechanism could low voltage current travel in a liquid
environment other than ionic electro-chemicals?
Even neurotransmitters work that way...just higher speed chained
reactions is all.
High voltage establishes ionization paths.
Even Microwaves designed to cook things don't penetrate very far and
probably do most of the cooking via thermal conduction just like any
other oven.
[No, they don't heat from the inside out ]
How sensitive are parasites to PH changes?
In the old days. people used wood ashes to get rid of parasites. [
and they also used wood ashes to get Sodium Hydroxide for making Lye soap ]
The skin has blood in it, the blood is salty, does the same thing as a
salt solution anywhere and that blood circulates with the rest of the
blood...just not as fast.
Rife was observing effects on a microscope slide...very thin.
His tech may well have worked on larger samples [people] and he not
really know why.
Unless his electromagnetic beams were up there in the x ray frequency
ranges that could make it between water molecules. ..Ionizing Induction?
What does "ionizing radiation" mean? Ionize "what" into what...how ?
Even most *nuclear* radiation is stopped by thin wet surfaces.
I have yet to see any Zapper maker that has made the connection between
how a Zapper works, how electro-plating works and how a CS generator
works, when all of them are the exact same machine, just applied to jars
of different substances in water and using different metals as electrodes.
Disregard *what* they do for a moment and look at *how* they ALL do
it. What makes a Zapper different? Nothing.
Why a DC offset? Because AC would just chemically cancel itself if the
effect of the polarity change is slower than how fast the chemical
change can leave the area by blood flow in that surface.
That burning of skin is not from heat. If it were a result of current
flow like happens in a wire with nothing but electrons bouncing around,
the entire circuit would be at least nearly the same temperature.
Try this: Put an analog milliam-meter in line with an electrode and
see if the current has a perceivable rise rate as electro-chemicals
build up concentration to transport more electrons around as ions in
ionic chemical compounds.
If you can *see* it go up, it's SLOW and wires don't act that way.
I don't think even a resistor slows the electrons down, it just blocks
some of them and turns the impact energy into heat.
If that were "heat" burn, a thermometer made for pipples would peg.
The skin can take 120 degrees F for extended periods of time, cooling
itself off with sweat evaporation.
See any sweat? [Well, given that the electrolyte used is so much like
sweat, how could you tell...concept firm but probably not observable...
BUT even then the PH would change and if it were nothing but
sweat/electrolyte, unchanged... it wouldn't. Check it out. ]
Recipe for super duper house hold cleaner; Two electrodes, DC power
source and a bucket of a salt water = Sodium Hydroxide [degreaser] and
Hypochlorous acid [disinfectant] and a very short shelf life. Apply that
to a bag of salt water vs a bucket of salt water....
ALL the numbers add up.
Even Jim Humbles MMS numbers add in without flaw....same mechanism,
different source, similar results. [but without the nearly immediate
control of a neutralizing agent right around the blood flow corner, or
the effect of Alkalizing an area. ]
Blood flow is directional as well, with an in and out sequence, NOT
mixing right away...even in the tiny capillaries. Up from under, to the
surface and back down taking whatever is there with it as fast as it can.
The entire body WOULD be exposed to those substances, no different than
any skin absorption of any other chemical...except, these chemicals are
made IN the BILLIONs of tiny pipes at their MOST absorptive points adding
in whatever was made at the surface near them, as well, by saturating
even the dead insulating skin layers with the very same source compound...salt.
There's just no way that's anything but a chemical burn, spelling out
c-h-e-m-i-c-a-l loud and clear.
It's just being made faster than it can be carried away is all.
Ode
At 11:46 AM 4/26/2010 -0400, you wrote:
Resonant frequencies will disrupt DNA. This has been show with Rife
technology. A square wave is the fourier sum of all multiples of that
frequency. Thus a square wave will cause the DNA of pathogens to
vibrate at their resonant frequency and break apart. Once broken apart
DNA tends to drift back together and rejoin unless there is an electric
field present to force separation of the parts. That is how the zappers
work. The principle is the same, but the method of getting the quasi DC
field is different between the Beck and Clark zappers.
The Clark zapper uses a DC offset to give the field, that is it uses
pulsing DC. The Beck unit uses a low frequency so that the parts are
drawn sufficiently far apart that they cannot find each other during one
half cycle of the wave.
I don't think the electrochemical byproducts forming at the poles are
significant, since they would form on the surface of the skin, and the
zappers work quite well on internal parasites which would never ever see
these products.
Marshall
Ode Coyote wrote:
I don't think zappers actually "electrify" the blood.
What they do is manufacture electrochemical byproducts according to
what pole is ionizing [??] salt at that location.
One pole Sodium Hydroxide, alkalizing there...the other Hypochlorus
acid. [similar to MMS]
If I'm getting "Positive Offset" correctly...that would be pulsed DC.
The frequency of the DC pulse would then be an on/off [50/50 ? ]"duty
cycle" to allow those chemicals to migrate faster than they build up in
the skin causing chemical burns.
A slower pulse would build up more before the blood in surface
capillaries washes it in deeper and dilutes it...pretty much a matter
of comfort level.
Voltage doesn't matter, it's current delivered over an area [current
density again]
With a higher voltage, you can deliver more current over a smaller less
conductive area.
How much at a given voltage depends on the conductivity of the
electrolyte on the pads or how wet and salty your skin and the size of
the electrodes and how far apart they are on the body.
I'd like to see a variable resistor or a pulse width modulator that can
go to maybe a 20/80 duty cycle to get control of that over all current.
You can get red itchy skin [mild chemical burning] at only 1.2
volts...or no burning at 24 volts depending on how the electrodes are
configured.
Ode
At 02:13 PM 4/24/2010 +0100, you wrote:
I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to
having the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a
and
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d
I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?
Any advice would be really welcome
Cheers
Kirsteen
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