Ionic forms of silver which these are, are not catalytic. They do kill germs, but it must be by a different mechanism than as an oxidation catalyst.

Marshall

On 8/18/2011 4:36 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
What about silver compounds? Say you have silver oxide/chloride/hydroxide in the blood...can silver in this bound state also kill germs by the same mechanism as metallic silver?

~David

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Marshall <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Take a look at: http://silver-lightning.com/research.html

    Marshall


    On 8/15/2011 3:08 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

        Thanks, I am going to read about this.  The term "catalytic
        converter"
        comes up when I google oxidizing catalyst.  I may ask more
        questions
        later.  Interesting I know that ASAP claims their Ag4O4 has
        "catalytic
        capabilities".  Maybe I will figure out what that means soon
        too.  I'm
        writing an "In Vivo" section of a CS book, so I really want to get
        into the fine details.

        ~David

        On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM,
        Marshall<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
         wrote:

            Yes, it is an oxidizing catalyst and oxidizes the germ
            killing it.
            Essentially the same mechanism as ozone or H2O2 therapy,
            but is not used up
            like they are.

            Marshall

            On 8/15/2011 1:19 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

                Everything I've read that gives a mechanism of action
                of silver
                killing germs has to do with an ion...oxidizing a cell
                wall...electromagnetically scrambling DNA...etc.  Is
                there are known
                mechanism of action by which metallic silver particles
                kills germs?

                ~David

                On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM,
                Marshall<[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>>    wrote:

                    Sure metal particles can do something.  Silver
                    particles are an excellent
                    catalyst, and also kill germs on contact. That is
                    why some water filters
                    have silver metal in them.  What particles do NOT
                    do is cause injured
                    cells
                    to revert to stem cells for healing, that is only
                    done by ions.

                    Sputtering, which is how I believe mesosilver is
                    made, produces clumps of
                    silver particles and some silver atoms/ions  The
                    atoms can easily be an
                    ion,
                    since they will be in the middle of a plasma, and
                    once they enter the
                    water,
                    can associate with the OH in the water forming
                    ionic silver.

                    Marshall

                    On 8/14/2011 5:05 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

                        It seems to me that mesosilver particles are
                        metallic silver.  Can
                        metallic silver actually yield any silver
                        ions?  I can understand how
                        silver hydroxide/oxide/chloride/citrate/etc
                        can have different
                        tendencies to disassociate in the body, and
                        yield a free silver ion
                        for a time, but how can metallic particles
                        possibly do anything?
                        Could it be that mesosilver's effect is only
                        due to the 20% ions?
                        That would be a ripoff on top of a ripoff.
                         And how do those ions get
                        into the product anyway when there is no
                        electrolysis involved?  Or
                        are mesosilver particles somehow coated in a
                        silver compound like
                        silver oxide that can have some tendency to
                        release ions?

                        Working on a CS book, and just want to really
                        give a completely fair
                        view of the in vivo story.

                        ~David


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