I'm speaking not of silver ions that are ultimately liberated from these compounds...but of the silver while it is still in these compounds. So you really think silver can kill germs in this form?
~David On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Marshall <mdud...@king-cart.com> wrote: > ** > Ionic forms of silver which these are, are not catalytic. They do kill > germs, but it must be by a different mechanism than as an oxidation > catalyst. > > Marshall > > > On 8/18/2011 4:36 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: > > What about silver compounds? Say you have silver oxide/chloride/hydroxide > in the blood...can silver in this bound state also kill germs by the same > mechanism as metallic silver? > > ~David > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Marshall <mdud...@king-cart.com> wrote: > >> Take a look at: http://silver-lightning.com/research.html >> >> Marshall >> >> >> On 8/15/2011 3:08 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: >> >>> Thanks, I am going to read about this. The term "catalytic converter" >>> comes up when I google oxidizing catalyst. I may ask more questions >>> later. Interesting I know that ASAP claims their Ag4O4 has "catalytic >>> capabilities". Maybe I will figure out what that means soon too. I'm >>> writing an "In Vivo" section of a CS book, so I really want to get >>> into the fine details. >>> >>> ~David >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Marshall<mdud...@king-cart.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, it is an oxidizing catalyst and oxidizes the germ killing it. >>>> Essentially the same mechanism as ozone or H2O2 therapy, but is not used >>>> up >>>> like they are. >>>> >>>> Marshall >>>> >>>> On 8/15/2011 1:19 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: >>>> >>>>> Everything I've read that gives a mechanism of action of silver >>>>> killing germs has to do with an ion...oxidizing a cell >>>>> wall...electromagnetically scrambling DNA...etc. Is there are known >>>>> mechanism of action by which metallic silver particles kills germs? >>>>> >>>>> ~David >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Marshall<mdud...@king-cart.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sure metal particles can do something. Silver particles are an >>>>>> excellent >>>>>> catalyst, and also kill germs on contact. That is why some water >>>>>> filters >>>>>> have silver metal in them. What particles do NOT do is cause injured >>>>>> cells >>>>>> to revert to stem cells for healing, that is only done by ions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sputtering, which is how I believe mesosilver is made, produces clumps >>>>>> of >>>>>> silver particles and some silver atoms/ions The atoms can easily be >>>>>> an >>>>>> ion, >>>>>> since they will be in the middle of a plasma, and once they enter the >>>>>> water, >>>>>> can associate with the OH in the water forming ionic silver. >>>>>> >>>>>> Marshall >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/14/2011 5:05 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems to me that mesosilver particles are metallic silver. Can >>>>>>> metallic silver actually yield any silver ions? I can understand how >>>>>>> silver hydroxide/oxide/chloride/citrate/etc can have different >>>>>>> tendencies to disassociate in the body, and yield a free silver ion >>>>>>> for a time, but how can metallic particles possibly do anything? >>>>>>> Could it be that mesosilver's effect is only due to the 20% ions? >>>>>>> That would be a ripoff on top of a ripoff. And how do those ions get >>>>>>> into the product anyway when there is no electrolysis involved? Or >>>>>>> are mesosilver particles somehow coated in a silver compound like >>>>>>> silver oxide that can have some tendency to release ions? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Working on a CS book, and just want to really give a completely fair >>>>>>> view of the in vivo story. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ~David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >>>>>>> Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unsubscribe: >>>>>>> <mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe> >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Off-Topic discussions:<mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com> >>>>>>> List Owner: Mike Devour<mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
