Hi Mike:

I'm very interested in your work; please send me a link to your group when you get the chance.

I'm actually not confused, though.

There are other variables in the production process, although perhaps some would consider the issue "splitting hairs".

The most irritating variable is distilled water quality. While this does not necessarily directly impact the electrolysis process, indirectly in makes a big difference. I can only get the best results when I double-distill water myself, which I usually don't have time to do. When I measure distilled water that I purchase, and I see the ph is above 8.0, and the purity level far above my ideal 0.3 uS, I know that my end product will not be as good as it could be.

Second, the longer distilled water sits in open air, the more nitrogen it will pull from the air; the more energy you apply to the process, the more nitrogen is pulled into the water. With HVAC, this can make a huge difference, but with LVDC, it only seems to be a minor difference.

Furthermore, you can get silver oxides due to the decay at the silver electrodes. Poor electrode configurations are probably the biggest offenders.

Also, silver particles are not converted into silver chloride. The only thing they are subject to (relative to our topic) to is oxidation. In the presence of acids, silver ions may be released (as was definatively demonstrated by Dr. Bart Flick), once released they are then subject to numerous chemical reactions.

Again, colloidal size particles, even if they in oxide form, have unique characteristics; however, you won't find this information by cracking open your high school chemistry book. But I do agree that any interesting function of silver particles, as silver particles, is not very relevant to a direct action of killing pathogens.

So we definately agree about the value of a highly ionic, highly concentrated stabilized silver solution in distilled water. I can't wait to see the information you present on your generator!

Kind Regards,

Jason






 > ~Jason

 Hi Jason,

 I can clear up some of the confusion you are experiencing.

 The only product of silver electrolysis is silver ions, Ag+, and the
 hydroxide ion, OH-.

 There are no other products in colloidal silver.

 There can  be  no other results from the  electrolysis  process. You
 cannot get  pure  silver  atoms,  or  silver  oxide,  or tetrasilver
 tetroxide, or any other combination of silver compounds. Only silver
 ions, Ag+, and the hydroxide, OH-.

 The only  combination  you can get from  this  is  silver hydroxide,
 AgOH. These are the only particles you will see in colloidal silver.

 This is what turns the solution yellow. There are only a  few metals
 that engage in plasmon resonance. Silver and gold are among them.

 For silver, this absorbs the blue end of the spectrum and leaves the
 typical yellow tint that everyone is familiar with.

 But when  you  ingest  this solution,  the  AgOH  combines  with the
 hydrochloric acid  in your stomach and produces silver  chloride and
 water. The equation is:

 AgOH + HCl --> AgCl + H2O

 This is a standard acid-base neutralization reaction. Look it  up in
 any high school chemistry textbook.

 The result  is  it  doesn't matter  what  kind  of  silver hydroxide
 particles you  ingest.  The particle size, zeta  potential,  and any
 other parameters  are  of no consequence. They  are  all  reduced to
 silver chloride and water.

 So particle size has no meaning when you ingest cs.

 But there  is a different way of making cs. I have  developed  a new
 method called  the  SilverCell process. This makes  cs  up  to 44uS,
 which is  the  world's  strongest   and  most  effective  silver ion
 solution possible.

 Normally, any  cs  generator is terminated when  the  ions  from one
 electrode reach  the opposite electrode. They combine in  the Nernst
 Diffusion Layer and form silver hydroxide, AgOH.

 This terminates  the brewing process, since any more  electrons that
 enter the  solution  only go to forming  more  silver  hydroxide, or
 they plate out on the cathode.

 If you continue the brew, you may find the silver  ion concentration
 actually decreases  due to extra combination of AgOH  in  the Nernst
 Diffusion Layer.  So for every electron delivered  to  the solution,
 you now  lose more than two ions, and it makes no sense  to continue
 the process.

 But I  have developed a way to control the reactions  in  the Nernst
 Diffusion Layer. As a result, my solution has absolutely no Tyndall,
 even in  the darkest room. I can deliver the world's  highest silver
 ion concentration in a colloidal silver generator. This makes  it by
 far the most effective cs ever produced.

 I can  also show that the silver ion concentration  is  essential in
 combating the most virulent pathogens. See for example my post on

 http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg76134.html

 This clearly  shows  the higher ion  concentration  is  essential to
 combat serious pathogens.

 As you point out, Argentyn 23 is at least four times  more effective
 than the silver you were making with your modified Silvergen SG-7.

 So you also show the ion concentration is extremely important.

 But I have good news. I have learned how to control the reactions in
 the Nernst Diffusion Layer. I can now produce a cs that is more than
 10 times  as  concentrated  as the typical 3  nines,  and  more than
 double the best available from any commercial vendor.

 This turns out to be extremely effective in sublingual absorption.

 You do  not  have  to ingest the solution, and  no  longer  have the
 terrible stomach upset from the typical pharmaceutical antibiotics.

 But an interesting side effect occurs - holding the solution in your
 mouth for 12 minutes also kills the bacteria that cause dental decay
 and gum  disease. You will find the tartar on the back side  of your
 teeth will suddenly fall off, and you can feel the depression caused
 by the bacteria with your tongue. They were eating your  tooth away,
 and you would have to pay huge dental bills to solve the problem.

 But this is no longer necessary with the SilverCell process.

 I can also show the maximum silver ion concentration from sublingual
 absorption is less than 20 parts per billion in a typical  male with
 5.5 liters of blood.

 This is  far too low to have any direct effect on  pathogens  in the
 body. The only conclusion is the immune system is taking  the silver
 ions and using them somehow to combat pathogens. In this regard, the
 highest silver ion concentration is extremely important.  Low silver
 ion concentrations simply don't work, as you have already proved.

 This means we have to incorporate the body's immune  system response
 in our  evaluation. This means we cannot expect any  results  when a
 pathogen has  already  invaded our cells,  since  the  immune system
 cannot go  inside and kill the pathogen. It is only  vulnerable when
 it is out in the open and the white blood cells can attack.

 This means  we  must consider the cs solution to  be  a preventative
 measure - to stop pathogens from gaining a foothold. So we must take
 a certain  amount  each  day to keep the  immune  system  primed and
 ready.

 Fortunately, the SilverCell process uses only 50mL each day, instead
 of the  250mL or more that some people are reporting. So  the amount
 needed is about 20% of the typical usage. This is important in areas
 where distilled water is hard to obtain, and the cost of  the silver
 electrodes may  be  prohibitive. Since the  SilverCell  process uses
 much less silver, the electrodes will last much longer.

 I am in the process of completing the web pages that describe how to
 make your own MiniCell generator. I will post the url as soon  as it
 is available. It will be less expensive than the original 3 nines.

 I will  also present a web page that donates the  SilverCell process
 to the  public domain, so anyone can make it without fear  of attack
 from patent attorneys.

 If you  are interested, you can join the  Yahoo  SilverCentral forum
 for further  discussions  and  help   in  making  your  own MiniCell
 generator. I will give further information later.

 Best Regards,

 Mike Monett
 SilverCell


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